Figure Skating is not a sport!

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I’ve had this argument with my wife lately. She is an artistic type who happens to enjoy figure skating.

But it is not a sport! Any activity that winning or losing is based on the opinion of someone else does not qualify to me as a sport.

In freestyle skiing, style points are awarded but the tangible element is also speed. In bobsled or the luge, whoever gets to the bottom in the fastest amount of time is the winner. Speed skating is a sport too.

Figure skating is not a sport. It requires athletic ability, no doubt, but then again so does getting out of bed in the morning.

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  • http://coryaldrich.blogs.com Bald Man

    PREACH IT!!!

    The need for strength, agility, and skill do not make something a sport. Objective scoring standards do. Artistic merit is NOT objective.

  • http://www.martinbreton.com brem

    Is Golf a sport?
    Is Archery a sport?

    In both cases, you can be morbidely obese and still be quite good at it :)

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Yes and in both cases there is an objective way to win. Not some half-ass judging that awards the win to one person or another. In golf, a score is kept based on number of shots. In archery, points are kept for where the arrow goes.

  • http://www.martinbreton.com brem

    okay, then what is your definition of an athlete?

  • http://PetLvr.com/blog/ HART

    Unfortunately, then you’d have to get rid of a lot of Summer Olympic sports too .. like gymnastics, diving, and um… there must be more subjective events …. I think it would be different, if they had an hour or so to review everything in detail with slow motion replay. It’s even worse for me, when they not only are subjective – they do it in 2 minutes .. it’s like speed dating.

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Defining athlete is beside the point. I think we all agree figure skating requires athletic ability. I think the question should be what is a sport.

    The only thing I’m challenging is figure skating as a sport! ;)

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Hart: I’m okay with losing those as “sports”. :p

  • http://www.martinbreton.com brem

    according to wikipedia:

    A sport consists of a physical and mentally competitive activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of these. A sport has physical activity, side by side competition, self-motivation and a scoring system. The difference of purpose is what characterises sport, combined with the notion of individual (or team) skill or prowess.

    Unless you find me another definition of sport. (and I want it to be that well written too!), Figure skating is a sport, Aaron ;)

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Who cares about Wikipedia? :-) This is about my opinion! :-)

  • http://www.martinbreton.com brem

    oh okay.

    so that’s like a non-argument.

    You know, some people think the earth is flat and that God exists.

    Are you telling me that sport is a matter of faith over facts? :)

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    The earth is flat. Duh.

  • http://www.martinbreton.com brem

    ROTFLMAO

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Any joker knows that.

  • http://coryaldrich.blogs.com Bald Man

    Wikipedia is clearly wrong. Come on:

    * The performances are set to music
    * They’re called programs
    * Choreography is a factor in judging (Didn’t the old scoring system have an “artistic interpretation” component?)
    * It’s sister is Ice DANCING!

    And if that doesn’t persuade you…

    THE SEQUINS!!! LOOK AT ALL THE SEQUINS!!! CAN IT SERIOUSLY BE A SPORT IF YOU WEAR SEQUINS!!!! THE INHUMANITY!!!

  • http://www.technosailor.com Aaron

    Hahahaaaa

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  • :):)

    Ok ummm,
    If you think figure skating is not a sport just because it is judged by people and the winner is determined by an opinion. Your wrong.
    There are certain requirements you need in your “program” to get points and if you do not meet them you are deducted and then they add up the marks. That is a strong influence on who comes in first. And it is not only all the girly sports that are judged, what about diving and ski jumping may not be judged by the length but the form is still determined by opinion. Figure skaters work really hard to get to the top and they work just as hard as all the pro football players, but just because they don’t have to run down a field they are not considered athletes. If figure skating were easy the y would call it hockey. And the comment about the sequence, figure skaters don’t have to wear a sparkly dress with sequence, they do so they stand out and be remembered. So if figure skating is not a sport then what is it, are you saying that all this work they are doing is just to practice a hobby.

  • Kelli

    IT IS TOOO A SPORT. FIGURESKATING TAKES YEARS TO GET GOOD AT. IT IS NOT THE OPINION OF OTHERS, FIGURESKATING IS JUDGED ON SKILLS AND ROTATIONS AND LANDING RIGHT (WITCH IS VERY HARD TO DO). you should really get to know a sport before you go on and critizie it!

    take it from a long time figureskater.

  • sarah

    Definition of sport:
    an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition.
    just because it is judged doesn’t mean it is not a sport i mean like what kind of jerk believes that, you do not understand the concept of sport, if hockey was somehow judged would you call it a sport, the amount of training and effort figure skaters do compared to hockey players is outstanding hockey players are like someone else’s robots the coach is the only one that has to work overtime, whereas the figure skater has to pay attention to every detail.

    By the way I am a figure skater and learn to appreciate the sport.

    P.S. before you know criticize the sport learn and see how much training it takes.

  • Samm

    If you think figure skating isn’t a sport . . .
    Try doing a Scratch Spin at 250 RPM.

    If you think figure skating isn’t a sport . . .
    Try doing a Biellmann Spin.

    If you think figure skating isn’t a sport . . .
    Try doing a Star Lift . . . one handed.

    If think figure skating isn’t a sport . . .
    Try doing a Death Spiral.

    (Seriously Try it…)

    I am sick of people saying that its not a sport! My uncle who is a football coach wont let my little cousin skate with my because its “not a sport”. I would love to see him get on the ice! Before you criticize someone (Criticizing a sport is criticizing the players…) why dont you try and see where they are comming from? Why dont you spend one day training as hard as a top knotch figure skater, you probably could’nt do it.

  • plastic0hat0man

    Figure skating IS a sport, it takes practice, time, and years to become good at, if you miss one step you might fall. Serious injuries have happened in figure skating, even some deaths. It requires physical action and is very hard to perfect a routine that requires planning, practicing, physical work, and takes time.

  • morgan

    FIGURE SKATING IS SOOOOOOOOOOOO A SPORT!!!!!!!!

  • kyle

    it is obviously a sport a mean most sports are competetive like football and cricket and base ball e.g.

  • Sara

    Excuse me FIGURE SKATING NOT A SPORT!!! r u serious ok first off like Samm says u trying doing half the moves we do! and im not even to comp yet!! u try doing a sit spin or a spiral and those are basic moves!! Figure skating takes devotion and pratice and why people think that its not a sport is beyond me! To be a figure skater you have to go through alot and I applaud and look up to the people that get there but I also know its not cake walk spending sometimes a whole day at the rink and giving up our time for this SPORT! We do it because we love it adn when someone like you says its not a sport its a slap in the face its like spitting on all our hard work. Do you know what it feels like to get off the rink after about an hour of crossovers or 3 hours of routine after routine and jump after jump, you get frustrated and your feet and legs hurt horribly and you get blisters but when you finally get it down perfectly its like your flying. So never even think that figure skating is not a sport because its as much a sport as football and basketball.

  • Ken

    I agree, figure skating is not a sport. Sports are events that have unequivocal outcomes. Highest score, fastest finish, longest distance, etc.

    Anything that requires opinions to determine the quality of the performance are art forms, not sports.

    Figure skating, like gymnastics and synchronized swimming, are art forms, not sports.

  • Jayson

    That doesnt make it a sport… I agree with you they are talented and athletic. but its not a sport, its a competition judged by subjective humans and not objective scoring.. therefore not a sport. Is American Idol a sport too?? same thing.

  • http://gofigureskating.com GoFigureSkating

    Why do people insist on comming up with their own definition of what a sport is. If you check the definition and look a the rules of figure skating you will see that figure skating is indeed a sport.

    http://www.gofigureskating.com/story/fssport.html

  • love2sk8

    you want to say its not a sport because it is judged? well what do refs do? don’t they judge wether or not you got a penalty or wether or not that was a goal? figure skating judges judge wether that jump was landed correctly and wether we should be penalized for it and then the one who had the most points wins isn’t that how it works in any sport? and it is in the olympics isn’t it? and last time i checked ost sprots don’t have to get up at 5 in the morning put on make up and fix there hair and then head out to a competition and freeze and be expected to land every double or triple jump in your program. that is not just talent and athletic ability

  • Zoe

    it is a sport ! you can win in competitions, its one of the hardest sports there is, actually it is the hardest .

  • Brielle

    Many believe that Figure skating is not a sport, that we are judged on purely opinion. Judging figure skating is very hard. While in basketball it is very clear who wins, in skating there are many factors that measure into a final score. How difficult the jumps and spins were, how advanced the footwork is, how flexible and how many spirals you had are all measured. Not to mention if you dress matched the music or if your choreography matched or even if the position of your arms on a landing was correct. While you can see the sweat from a soccer player or the bruises from a gymnast figure skaters cover the purple legs and the sweat covered tights. The goals of skating are to make it look effortless and to be flawless. One second you could be winning but with one trip or bad landing it could be all over. A dream crushed by a mistake you’ve over come millions of time. When a figure skater loses there is no one to blame. No one is playing defense. An opponent doesnt throw a ball or send a fist at them. Skaters suffer alone. All by themselves for 4 four minutes even baseball players take a break after two minutes. Figure skating is move then a world of pretty dresses and elegant music. It is filled with everyone around you, no not just judges, judging you. They watch your every move, some hoping you fall and hit your head so you can never skate again. Skating is very similar to the real world; there is gossip, strangers making decisions about you based on your appearance and everything you did in the past is taken into consideration when they call your name over the loud speaker. In skating there truly is no second chance. It’s a make it or break it world and its full of people trying to break you. Figure skating takes extreme grace, strength and confidence. To be able to skate in front of hundreds of thousands of people, or even your best friend, takes bravery. One false move and you’ve hit the ice, one bad landing and your lost your career. If I haven’t convinced you that figure skating is a sport then I’ve got news for you, it takes more athletic ability to thrust yourself into the air over ice then it does to defend a soccer goal or a basketball hoop. Not only do we jump and spin but we do it with a smile on our face and our hands out of our mouth.

  • Figure skater

    …OMG
    figure skating is a sport
    A sport is an athletic competition, which is what figure skating is
    for crying out loud, stop comparing it to american idol
    american idol is just a competition, nothing athletic about it
    figure skating is a competition, and is VERY athletic
    whether they are being judged or not, it doesnt matter
    they are being judged points, the one with the highest points win….competition? definatley. difficult? yes. a sport? yup
    and besides whether you agree with me or not, figure skating is still considered a sport anyway lol

  • http://yahoo Prabhuti

    like i guess you r right skating’s not that easy and something or another thing makes skating a sport anyway

  • http://yahoo Prabhuti

    like why is’nt skating a sport?

  • me

    Figure Skating is scored. There are several judges and they have to give scores on how well you did. There are scores on several aspects and the scores go into the computer and whoever got the highest scores wins. Skating is a sport. Just like refs give controversial calls, judges can sometimes give controversial scores.

  • Juliana

    Figure Skating is 100% a sport. Yes it takes a certain athletic ability. But in a way its like hockey. You can’t just randomly put on hockey skates and hold up a hockey stick and say you can play the game. IT takes practice and skill. Even though winning and looksing is based on someones opinion it is once again still a sport. It is how we get point like in hockey if you score a goal its a point. Well figure skating has goals and if we suceed in perfoming the goal. there for IT IS A SPORT!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ashley

    For all of you saying figure skating isn’t a sport you are a bunch of mindless idiots that know anything about figure skating. So you think it isn’t a sport because there are actual people judging a competition or because it isn’t like skiing & how they are judged on time? Well think of it this way, those judges don’t simply pick a winner on who looked the best but by who completed the elements, skaters are judged on guidelines also. You just don’t understand because figure skating is too complex for you to understand, instead of being judged on not only timing they are judged on a series of different things. You think judges have this huge ‘opinion’ on who wins when they don’t. They are only there to simply see how the elements were completed for example if a jump was fully rotated or not, or if a spin was traveling, or if you were at a 90 degree angle on their sit spins. Figure skating is like any other sport; they are out there to perform a task that follows guidelines, just like gymnastics, hockey, and football! Also I guarantee you a figure skater goes through a lot more strenuous activity then any of you!!!

  • Herm

    figure skating is not a sport. do refs at football games sit on the sidelines and watch a game, then decide who played better, and then award the points to them? no. whenever i present this argument to my friends, they’re all like “but its so hard and requires so much athletic skills,” and i never disagree with them. it’s not a sport, and it pisses me off when i watch the olympics to see hockey, then right afterward some figure skaters. it is so not a sport. i will never regard it as a sport. golf is a sport. everyone uses that as an example, but golf is based on individuals’ abilities to put a ball in a hole in as few shots as possible, with no opinions or judges besides to make judgments on rules. golf is a sport (the greatest, actually), and figure skating is not, and no one will ever convince me of that.

  • tross

    Figure skating is not a sport. It based on opinion of judges to determine the outcome. Does it require athleticism “Yes” but so does ballroom dancing and ballet. The NBA slam dunk competition that takes place during the NBA all star weekend is not a sport. It requires tremendous athletic ability but it uses judges to determine the outcome so they call it a competition not a sport. A basketball game is sport because it based on objective measures to determine the outcome. A ref can’t say at the end of the game that even though team A scored more points than team B team B looked better so they win the game.

  • Carol

    Anyone who says figure skating isn’t a sport has no idea about the technical aspects of the sport. It’s not just about looking pretty. It’s about being accurate and there absolutely is an objective standard, especially with the new scoring system. In fact, there are complaints at this point that room for artistry has been stripped.

    But that’s okay. I don’t really consider football or hockey a sport so much as an opportunity for men to touch each other openly without being lynched. And any sport that allows for anyone 300 lb morbidly obese to participate (football, golf, fishing, bowling, etc.) might call itself a “sport” but those “players” surely aren’t athletes. So 6 of one half dozen of the other.

  • Ace

    Every event in the Winter Olympics is full of competitors wearing national uniform – the same uniform for every member of the team in the given discipline. Why? Because how you look has nothing to do with winning. This is the same as pretty much every SPORT I can think of. If how you look can in anyway effect the outcome of a competition, then it is not sport.

  • ted

    i would have to say that figure skating is not a sport. The argument of it being hard is irrelevant. Chess is also hard and takes years to master but it doesn’t make it a sport. And for anyone who wants to argue that chess is different they were considering placing it in the Olympics at one point but that doesn’t make it a sport.

  • Soph

    Figure Skating is a sport, and no, certain jumps and spirals are certain points. Maybe you should actually research the topic. Figure Skating takes extreme atheletic skill and get out of the bed is just offensive to compare. Take it from a figure skater, you are wrong and don’t even know what you are talking about. Nice try but I would love to see you try to land any jump or spiral.

  • Elsa

    Ahh! the famous argument.
    Who cares if people think that it’s not a sport? – in a way, they’re right. But in another, they think a sport is judged by objective measures to determine the outcome. All these people need is to open their minds a little bit.
    As a skater, i think figure skating is a sport. Not because i want it to be a sport, but because it takes athletic skills like no other sport. Gymnsatics, for instance. Gymnastics is also a sport, wether you like it or not.
    They’re both extremely demanding activities physically wise, and that’s what defines a sport in my opinion.
    Now all you haters out there can criticize me all you want, and keep on osaying that Figure Skating is not a sport. So be it.
    I just want to know, can any of you guys actually get on the ice and perform a 5 minute routine that includes triple jumps, high leveled spins such as a death-drop, or even just a pancake, flying camel, a bielman? Can any of you perform a shoot the duck. Laugh all you want, those names are ridiculous.
    So what? figure skating requires flexibility, technicality, strenght, speed, cardiovascular and much more. Plus, you always have to smile, and make it look easy when inside, you’re actually dying (i should know). You have to be prepared to shed a whole lot of sweat, tears and blood. Just like any other “sports”.

  • morgan

    FIGURE SKATING IS A SPORT, IT TAKES YEARS OF PRACTICE AND YEARS OF MUSCLE BUILD UP, THE FACT THAT IT IS PARTIALLY JUDGJED CAN NOT DETERMINE IF A SPORT IS A SPORT, LOOK AT GYMNASTICS, IM SURE YOU THINK GYMNASTICS IS A SPORT, AND SO IS FIGURE SKATING, THERE ARE REQUIRED ELEMENTS AND THEY HAVE TO BE EXECUTED IN A MANNER THAT YOU GET CREDIT FOR THEM, ONE SMALL MISHAP AND YOU COULD BE DOWN ON YOUR BUTT, SO UNLESS YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO GO OUT AND IN FRONT OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE SKATE A PROGRAM WITH TRIPLE JUMPS (WHICH REQURIE A VERTICAL JUMP OF OVER 23 INCHES) THEN YOU CAN SHUTUP ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND AGREE WITH YOUR WIFE. FIGURE SKATING IS WAY MORE OF A SPORT AND IS JUST AS MUCH OF A SPORT AS ANY OTHER, JUST BECAUSE IT IS PRIMARILY A GIRL SPORT DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING, I KNOW GIRL HOCKEY PLAYERS, FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND MANY OTHERS, SO UNLESS YOU REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE SPORT BITE YOUR TONGUE AND GET OVER YOURSELF,

  • morgan

    THANK YOU!!!!!

  • Sara

    Wow really cuz wat about jerseys that footballs players wear. The spandex look at the spandex!! The INHUMANITY!!! omg go spend a day at the rink adn see what it feels like!!

  • morgan

    YES IT IS, CAN YOU GO OUT LAND TRIPLE JUMPS AND THEN LAND ON ONE FOOT ARMS PERFECTLY OUT WITH YOUR HEAD LOOKING TO THE RIGHT SO IT LOOKS LIKE ITS THE EASIEST THING ON EARTH, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT MORON

  • morgan

    YOU ROCK!

  • Jayson

    lol.. this proved his point not urs. Golf and Archery winners are decided by an objective scoring system.. so yes its a sport. Figure skaters are athletic and not fat.. but its not a sport. how is this hard lol?

  • Jayson

    WOW.. ur all the same. Hes not arguing its hard, hes not saying “anyone can do it” hes not saying that figure skaters arent athletic or have major talent. Hes saying that there is no quantifiable scoring system to determine a winner.. its subjectively human judged. Its a COMPETITION not a SPORT. Same as American Idol.. try singing at this key or that key.. (seriously try it).. STILL DOESNT MAKE IT A SPORT CAUSE SOME PEOPLE CAN DO IT,AND OTHERS CANT.

  • Jayson

    once AGAIN! because your good at it or because it takes hard work DOESNT MAKE IT A SPORT. Your argument has been the SAME as every other one. It doesnt make sense. I respect skaters. i really do, and admit they are talented , and work hard. But they are competitors in a tough competition. Its not spitting on ur hard work, its appreciated, but that doesnt make it a sport. It’s a competition.. and one you wanna be the best at, so theres nothing wrong with it. Me saying its not a sport is not an insult, its a classification. Its a tough COMPETITION that takes hard work and real talent. Growing the best pumpkin for the fair or having the best cow at the fair is the same thing.. doesnt take NEAR as much talent or effort, but still, you do what you can to have the best and biggest pumpkin or prettiest dog for a dog show, to be ready on COMPETITION day.. what makes it a competition? The subjective human judging (ya know like Simon Cowell does for American Idol.. SAME THING).

    COMPETITION.. say it with me COMP-E-TITION

  • http://gofigureskating.com GoFigureSkating

    Figure skating has highest scores based on points assigned to elements. For example, a tripple axel jump is worth 8.5 points. The judge is there to look at the vidoe and determine if the jump is fully rotated. This is no different than an umpire calling a ball a strike. There are judgement calls made by officials in just about every sport.

  • Juliana

    thank you figure skating is a sport you people who dis agree go try it for a year well see how hard u think it is

  • Juliana

    it is a sport the question is why do people no consider it a sport?

  • Jerome

    I have been in the “Figure skating is not a sport” camp for years and no amount of arguing will convince me otherwise. Now if you ask me if Figure Skating takes athletic, I will say absolutely 100%. Figure skaters train as hard if not harder than any athletes out there. Is it extremely difficult, you bet. Is it a sport? No way. It is an athletic competition (judged exhibition). But anything that can not be 100% objectively scored where there is a clear cut winner and loser is not a sport.

    Trying to say it is like hockey is a joke. At the end of the hockey game you know who won and who lost by who got more pucks in the opponent’s goal. It is not based on someone’s opinion of which team “looked better” going up and down the ice.

    Let’s also clarify the difference between Uniforms and outfits. In sports the players where uniforms/jerseys/sweaters/…etc. At least in gymnastics (another non-sport) the team wears the same uniform. Figure skating wears costumes. Here is a simple test…Can you tell what team they represent based on what they are wearing. Do all the athletes participating from the same team/country wear the same thing…

    Sports do not refer to their contest as a :Routine” and play music as part of the “Routine”. Sports also don’t have an “artistic” component to them.

    Just because I can’t do it does not make it a sport. I can’t speak Portuguese, but that doesn’t make it a sport.

    I want to be clear, I am not a hater and I am not going to argue with the haters who criticize those who think as I. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Bottom like, Figure skating is incredibly difficult and requires tremendous athletic ability. It is immensely popular and gets higher rating than almost any other event at the Olympics. But it is not a sport.

    Now whether I like it or not, based on my definition there are things that end up being classified as sports that people will argue are not. For example, bowling, darts, Frisbee golf…

    Things that are not Sports: Figure Skating, Cheer leading, Gymnastics (as much as it pains me to say so. Gymnastics is closer to a sport than Figure skating but unfortunately scoring is still subjective, sorry), Some of the new Snowboarding type events are not sports, …

  • Carol

    “A ref can’t say at the end of the game that even though team A scored more points than team B team B looked better so they win the game.”

    That isn’t possible in figure skating judging, either, especially with the new Code of Points. Not anymore than refs can throw a game by making bad calls or decide which players get penalties while turning a blind eye to others.

  • klreid

    American Idol requires no athleticism what-so-ever, so that comparison doesn’t really make sense. You can stop using it now.

    To put it into male terms-
    Football is to making a touchdown, as figure skating is to landing a triple axel perfectly.
    A ref is to football, what a judge is to figure skating.
    A penalty in football does the same thing a fall or misstep would do in figure skating- takes something away (football- yardage, etc.; figure skating- points) that could cause that team, or person, to lose.

    I’ve been skating for ten years, and I whole-heartedly believe it’s a sport. I’ve been dealing with this argument since I very first started. A sport is defined as: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. How figure skating would not fall into that category is beyond me.

  • klreid

    According to the dictionary, a sport is defined as: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. How figure skating would not fall into that category is beyond me.

  • J

    You’re saying that those “300 lb morbidly obese” guys aren’t athletes? I don’t know if you know the work it takes to play football or hockey. You have weightlifting, practice, and you are always working. Those big guys you are talking about may not have speed, or wear costumes, but just like in football, a good center is quick off his feet, and works a hell of a lot harder than some frilly figure-skater. I mean seriously, you actually practice your spins and stuff, and then you go out and pick your flashy costume and music to skate to? I wouldn’t say you play anything, or that you do anything as physical or enduring as some of the sports you mentioned above. As stated before, figure skating is a competition NOT a sport. Again, you will probably say, that it is a lot harder than I think and that I know nothing of it. Well, tell me how on the Olympics, a guy can do his routine (not play, not anything else) and nail and land all his moves(?). Then some other guy goes out and he falls, and lands what looked like the same moves to me as the first guy, and just because he gets a greater crowd response he wins. How is that fair? But please explain to me the technical aspects of this event.

  • Desiree

    actually ice skating does have an objective scoring system and its not just the people who give them the scores. Their scores are mainly based on the stunts they preform just like snowboarding…so would you like to say that snowboarding is not a sport either? because their scoring systems are very very similar

  • David H

    I think you’ve missed the point. No-one is saying its not difficult or that the training isn’t hard but FFS its based on dance (see your beloved Wikipedia), judged like a dance contest just like Dancing with Stars and is quantified by ‘artistic impression’. By your logic Ballet should at the Olympics, How about Trapezing? They are all judged based on personal or ad hoc interpretation.Its an art form, no more, no less.

    Or to put another way, its not objectively scored. Gymnastics, Synchronised Swimming, Diving and yes Ski-jumping shouldn’t be there either for the same reason.

    Yes its hard work, yes its physically demanding but whatever slant you put on it its still fundamentally dancing.