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		<title>By: Management Made Simple: Management by Quotation</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/5-ways-to-bounce-after-a-management-mishap/comment-page-1/#comment-308282</link>
		<dc:creator>Management Made Simple: Management by Quotation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MAPping Company Success</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/5-ways-to-bounce-after-a-management-mishap/comment-page-1/#comment-309081</link>
		<dc:creator>MAPping Company Success</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the conversation at Slacker Manager turned to how a manager bounces back from a bad hiring. Although the five steps Barry Moltz listed are good, I commented that they didn&#8217;t include [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/5-ways-to-bounce-after-a-management-mishap/comment-page-1/#comment-309035</link>
		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, being a startup or small biz is no reason to skip reference checks, which are a totally different animal than background checks.

Not to blow my own horn, but if you want some great help on all parts of hiring click my name above and check out the info in my blog. And feel free to contact me if you like (contact info on my site:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, being a startup or small biz is no reason to skip reference checks, which are a totally different animal than background checks.</p>
<p>Not to blow my own horn, but if you want some great help on all parts of hiring click my name above and check out the info in my blog. And feel free to contact me if you like (contact info on my site:)</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, at that point Miki I don&#039;t know how far we were actually going to look into that persons references.  
Being a growing company and having someone show up from not so much a competitor but from a company that does the same thing as us, the candidate looked to good to pass up.  At the time I was the one in charge of the &#039;tech&#039; side of things and out of the 20 some odd questions I asked them, they came back with exactly what I wanted to hear or something that was close and coachable. 

In hindsight, we should have done a reference check to see why they left their last employer and if they were re-hireable there or not.  Luckily we are not at a point where background checks are needed, but as we grow I can see this eventually becoming something we might have to look into making part of the interview process.

Having done about 15 interviews since then at this point,  I know I&#039;m far from a seasoned vet. But I have got a pretty good grasp as far as what I&#039;m looking for in either a Tier 1 or Tier 2 rep and also who will fit well with the current group of employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, at that point Miki I don&#8217;t know how far we were actually going to look into that persons references.<br />
Being a growing company and having someone show up from not so much a competitor but from a company that does the same thing as us, the candidate looked to good to pass up.  At the time I was the one in charge of the &#8216;tech&#8217; side of things and out of the 20 some odd questions I asked them, they came back with exactly what I wanted to hear or something that was close and coachable. </p>
<p>In hindsight, we should have done a reference check to see why they left their last employer and if they were re-hireable there or not.  Luckily we are not at a point where background checks are needed, but as we grow I can see this eventually becoming something we might have to look into making part of the interview process.</p>
<p>Having done about 15 interviews since then at this point,  I know I&#8217;m far from a seasoned vet. But I have got a pretty good grasp as far as what I&#8217;m looking for in either a Tier 1 or Tier 2 rep and also who will fit well with the current group of employees.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chuck, I&#039;m glad that your second hire worked out. What I&#039;m wondering is if you took the time to go back over the first hire&#039;s interviews and identify what could have been done or handled differently that would have prevented the offer.

There are many ways between the interviews and reference checks to spot someone who doesn&#039;t walk their talk. 

If an analysis isn&#039;t done, then whatever happened is likely to happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chuck, I&#8217;m glad that your second hire worked out. What I&#8217;m wondering is if you took the time to go back over the first hire&#8217;s interviews and identify what could have been done or handled differently that would have prevented the offer.</p>
<p>There are many ways between the interviews and reference checks to spot someone who doesn&#8217;t walk their talk. </p>
<p>If an analysis isn&#8217;t done, then whatever happened is likely to happen again.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone that has just recently moved into a senior management position, hiring and firing of employees has been one of the biggest things I&#039;ve had to get a grasp of quickly.  For example, I have hired 4 people in the past 2 months and fired 1 person.  The firing was difficult to me, since all my staff members are also &#039;friends&#039;.  The company is very small and very close knit and I have a great rapport with all my staff since I started from the Tier 1 position and moved up quickly to the new position of Customer Support Manager.

The person I was tasked with letting go right after I took over, was someone I had sat in on the interview and my opinion drove the decision on hiring or not.  Unfortunately, the new hire &#039;talked the talk&#039; and had a very good interview with all the correct answers.  Sadly they could not &#039;walk the walk&#039; and just drove down the productivity of the entire support staff once put on the floor after training.  I guess what I experienced was all of the steps.  I faced the fact that I screwed up and hired the wrong person,  I knew they were bringing down the numbers for not just my people but making my supervisors and me look bad to the director of operations for the company.  It was one of those moments in life where you just have to suck it up and do what needs to be done.   As Barry pointed out,  they could have had a family or they could have relocated for the job, luckily this person was not in that category.  It was a situation where I had to take the bull by the horns,  break the bad news and send them on their way.  Have to say I did feel bad doing it, since I have been on the other side of the desk before and know &#039;the look&#039; that the manager gets right before telling you &#039;good luck in your next job&#039;.  But it didn&#039;t last long, it was done and over with and after another 5 interviews, found another person to fill their shoes, that happens to be about 3 times more productive then some of my other staff members.  So, it turned out well for the company and me in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone that has just recently moved into a senior management position, hiring and firing of employees has been one of the biggest things I&#8217;ve had to get a grasp of quickly.  For example, I have hired 4 people in the past 2 months and fired 1 person.  The firing was difficult to me, since all my staff members are also &#8216;friends&#8217;.  The company is very small and very close knit and I have a great rapport with all my staff since I started from the Tier 1 position and moved up quickly to the new position of Customer Support Manager.</p>
<p>The person I was tasked with letting go right after I took over, was someone I had sat in on the interview and my opinion drove the decision on hiring or not.  Unfortunately, the new hire &#8216;talked the talk&#8217; and had a very good interview with all the correct answers.  Sadly they could not &#8216;walk the walk&#8217; and just drove down the productivity of the entire support staff once put on the floor after training.  I guess what I experienced was all of the steps.  I faced the fact that I screwed up and hired the wrong person,  I knew they were bringing down the numbers for not just my people but making my supervisors and me look bad to the director of operations for the company.  It was one of those moments in life where you just have to suck it up and do what needs to be done.   As Barry pointed out,  they could have had a family or they could have relocated for the job, luckily this person was not in that category.  It was a situation where I had to take the bull by the horns,  break the bad news and send them on their way.  Have to say I did feel bad doing it, since I have been on the other side of the desk before and know &#8216;the look&#8217; that the manager gets right before telling you &#8216;good luck in your next job&#8217;.  But it didn&#8217;t last long, it was done and over with and after another 5 interviews, found another person to fill their shoes, that happens to be about 3 times more productive then some of my other staff members.  So, it turned out well for the company and me in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R. Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven R. Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Miki&#039;s addition--the hiring process is almost certainly one of management&#039;s biggest challenges. Besides having a competent core product or service, hiring the right people is the biggest factor in the success of a business.  

I think Barry&#039;s take, though, is spot on, in that too often it becomes painfully clear that a hire simply isn&#039;t going to work out. And rather than nip a potential morale, security, or productivity problem in the bud, we&#039;d rather try and let them &quot;work it out,&quot; with the end result usually being six to twelve months of frustration for not just the manager and employee, but an entire department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Miki&#8217;s addition&#8211;the hiring process is almost certainly one of management&#8217;s biggest challenges. Besides having a competent core product or service, hiring the right people is the biggest factor in the success of a business.  </p>
<p>I think Barry&#8217;s take, though, is spot on, in that too often it becomes painfully clear that a hire simply isn&#8217;t going to work out. And rather than nip a potential morale, security, or productivity problem in the bud, we&#8217;d rather try and let them &#8220;work it out,&#8221; with the end result usually being six to twelve months of frustration for not just the manager and employee, but an entire department.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 10:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had heard the term &quot;hire hard&quot; which is in line to what you are saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had heard the term &#8220;hire hard&#8221; which is in line to what you are saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Gerbyshak</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/5-ways-to-bounce-after-a-management-mishap/comment-page-1/#comment-308542</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Gerbyshak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great feedback Miki! Thanks for contributing greatly to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great feedback Miki! Thanks for contributing greatly to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Moltz</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/5-ways-to-bounce-after-a-management-mishap/comment-page-1/#comment-308546</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Moltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your add to #5!</description>
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