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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/09/cuppys-coffee-interview-with-franchisee-rick-noem/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE: Interview With Franchisee Rick Noem&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&#160; Rick Noem tells how he gave Cuppy&#039;s Coffee a deposit of $125,000 in March, 2008 shortly before Dale Nabors took over.&#160; He&#039;s been unable to get even workeable plans or his phone calls returned, much less construction.&#160; Meanwhile, he&#039;s gone broke paying $6000 a month rent and a $3000 monthly loan payment on a business that hasn&#039;t been built.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/09/cuppys-coffee-list-of-locations-status/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE: List of Locations, Status&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&#160; Here&#039;s the location list from the Cuppy&#039;s website.&#160; I&#039;ve started adding closed locations, and those who paid but never opened. Contribute additions or clarifications with a comment or by emailing unhappyfranchisee[at]gmail.com. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/08/cuppys-coffee-overview/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee Overview&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&#160;&#160; &lt;/strong&gt;Here&#039;s a central page with links to Cuppy&#039;s Coffee franchisee interviews, stories, documents and information. Direct people here to get them up to speed on the Cuppy&#039;s Coffee story. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.franchisepick.com/franchise-controversies/cuppys-coffee-java-joz-elite-manufacturing-medina-blogliography/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.franchisepick.com/franchise-controversies/cuppys-coffee-java-joz-elite-manufacturing-medina-blogliography/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE, Java Jo&#8217;z, Elite Manufacturing, Medina Blogliography&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&#160; Franchise Pick&#039;s links to Cuppy&#039;s Coffee, Elite Manufacturing, AAFD, &amp; Java Jo&#039;z related posts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/09/cuppys-coffee-interview-with-franchisee-rick-noem/" rel="nofollow">CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE: Interview With Franchisee Rick Noem</a></strong>&#160; Rick Noem tells how he gave Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee a deposit of $125,000 in March, 2008 shortly before Dale Nabors took over.&#160; He&#8217;s been unable to get even workeable plans or his phone calls returned, much less construction.&#160; Meanwhile, he&#8217;s gone broke paying $6000 a month rent and a $3000 monthly loan payment on a business that hasn&#8217;t been built.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/09/cuppys-coffee-list-of-locations-status/" rel="nofollow">CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE: List of Locations, Status</a></strong>&#160; Here&#8217;s the location list from the Cuppy&#8217;s website.&#160; I&#8217;ve started adding closed locations, and those who paid but never opened. Contribute additions or clarifications with a comment or by emailing unhappyfranchisee[at]gmail.com. </p>
<p><strong><b><a href="http://www.unhappyfranchisee.com/2008/08/cuppys-coffee-overview/" rel="nofollow">Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee Overview</a></b>&#160;&#160; </strong>Here&#8217;s a central page with links to Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee franchisee interviews, stories, documents and information. Direct people here to get them up to speed on the Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee story. </p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.franchisepick.com/franchise-controversies/cuppys-coffee-java-joz-elite-manufacturing-medina-blogliography/" rel="nofollow"></a></strong><a href="http://www.franchisepick.com/franchise-controversies/cuppys-coffee-java-joz-elite-manufacturing-medina-blogliography/" rel="nofollow">CUPPY&#8217;S COFFEE, Java Jo&#8217;z, Elite Manufacturing, Medina Blogliography</a>&#160; Franchise Pick&#8217;s links to Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee, Elite Manufacturing, AAFD, &amp; Java Jo&#8217;z related posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All true Sean!  But,  when franchisors get into trouble,  it is the franchisees who bear all of the risk of building and operating physical units  who also bear the main brunt of failure when the network goes down.  I&#039;m sure that Dale wouldn&#039;t have bought Cuppy&#039;s if there weren&#039;t some franchisees out there making a living from their  businesses.  When a system goes down,  everybody loses.   I&#039;m sure the AAFD,  who has to survive as a trade organization,  was motivated by their own interests but I think they did think that they could serve everyone&#039;s interests if they could negotiate a peace between the parties.    

As Richard Solomon and Paul Steinberg say,   there is NO budget for enforcement of  the ineffective and weak regulatory laws that are on the books,  and no strong will by the regulators to enforce the laws against franchise systems because franchise &quot;systems&quot; feed the economy and the special interests.   Franchisees,  under law, are  merely resources for the entrepreneur franchisors who are encouraged by government regulation  to prove their ventures with the cheap labor and cheap capital of franchisees.               

The Regulatory Capture of the FTC is pretty obvious but this wouldn&#039;t have been possible unless this was the &quot;will&quot;  of the Congress and the Department of the Commerce and the Department of the Treasury and the other powers that be.            

Personally,  I believe the original sin,  to begin with,  is the regulation of franchising by the federal government.   If franchise regulation had remained under state laws,  perhaps the UNIT performance statistics of systems would have been mandated under State laws as MATERIAL to new buyers of franchises and there would not be as much &quot;churning&quot; and &quot;fraud&quot; as we have today in franchising,  because of the fact that  franchisors know they have protection from fraud claims in the courts because of the FTC Rule and their boilerplate contracts.                

If prospective buyers of franchises had access to the proprietary unit performance statistics of franchises before they signed on the dotted line,  they would give their informed consent to the odds of success/failure,  profits or lack of profitability,  as demonstrated by other &quot;first&quot; owners of franchises in the system, and second and third owners, etc.,   when they put their signature to the contract.    They wouldn&#039;t feel so &quot;defrauded&quot; when their franchise failed if the real odds had been disclosed to them before the purchase.  Of course, conversely,  they might not have made the purchase if the real odds of the purchase had been disclosed to them.  And,  this is why we have federal regulation of franchising.       

The &quot;sin&quot; here is in the selling of franchises as the American dream with little risk and in the franchisors being allowed to withhold  MATERIAL  proprietory unit performance  statistics that would indicate  the the risk/reward  of the purchase of their  franchise because of  the package of a government disclosure document and a binding &quot;boilerplate&quot; franchise agreement that deems that these statistics are not MATERIAL to new buyers of franchises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All true Sean!  But,  when franchisors get into trouble,  it is the franchisees who bear all of the risk of building and operating physical units  who also bear the main brunt of failure when the network goes down.  I&#8217;m sure that Dale wouldn&#8217;t have bought Cuppy&#8217;s if there weren&#8217;t some franchisees out there making a living from their  businesses.  When a system goes down,  everybody loses.   I&#8217;m sure the AAFD,  who has to survive as a trade organization,  was motivated by their own interests but I think they did think that they could serve everyone&#8217;s interests if they could negotiate a peace between the parties.    </p>
<p>As Richard Solomon and Paul Steinberg say,   there is NO budget for enforcement of  the ineffective and weak regulatory laws that are on the books,  and no strong will by the regulators to enforce the laws against franchise systems because franchise &#8220;systems&#8221; feed the economy and the special interests.   Franchisees,  under law, are  merely resources for the entrepreneur franchisors who are encouraged by government regulation  to prove their ventures with the cheap labor and cheap capital of franchisees.               </p>
<p>The Regulatory Capture of the FTC is pretty obvious but this wouldn&#8217;t have been possible unless this was the &#8220;will&#8221;  of the Congress and the Department of the Commerce and the Department of the Treasury and the other powers that be.            </p>
<p>Personally,  I believe the original sin,  to begin with,  is the regulation of franchising by the federal government.   If franchise regulation had remained under state laws,  perhaps the UNIT performance statistics of systems would have been mandated under State laws as MATERIAL to new buyers of franchises and there would not be as much &#8220;churning&#8221; and &#8220;fraud&#8221; as we have today in franchising,  because of the fact that  franchisors know they have protection from fraud claims in the courts because of the FTC Rule and their boilerplate contracts.                </p>
<p>If prospective buyers of franchises had access to the proprietary unit performance statistics of franchises before they signed on the dotted line,  they would give their informed consent to the odds of success/failure,  profits or lack of profitability,  as demonstrated by other &#8220;first&#8221; owners of franchises in the system, and second and third owners, etc.,   when they put their signature to the contract.    They wouldn&#8217;t feel so &#8220;defrauded&#8221; when their franchise failed if the real odds had been disclosed to them before the purchase.  Of course, conversely,  they might not have made the purchase if the real odds of the purchase had been disclosed to them.  And,  this is why we have federal regulation of franchising.       </p>
<p>The &#8220;sin&#8221; here is in the selling of franchises as the American dream with little risk and in the franchisors being allowed to withhold  MATERIAL  proprietory unit performance  statistics that would indicate  the the risk/reward  of the purchase of their  franchise because of  the package of a government disclosure document and a binding &#8220;boilerplate&#8221; franchise agreement that deems that these statistics are not MATERIAL to new buyers of franchises.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guest:
I would hardly call Dale Nabors a coward.  Taking over that company and putting his reputation on the line with the kind of publicity and scrutiny was a pretty bold move.  I&#039;m not saying a wise move, but it certainly wasn&#039;t a cowardly move.

I also would not characterize the AAFD&#039;s open door as any test of commitment to franchisees.  I&#039;d rather see money get returned to the rightful owners - the depositers of tens of thousands of dollars - than to the AAFD for a space on the stage at next year&#039;s karaoke contest.

Carol:
I think the Cuppy&#039;s story is a good demonstration as to why pre-sale disclosure and legislation alone will not solve this problem.  All of the regulation put in place for presale disclosure was worthless, in this case, because there&#039;s no enforcement.
What good are regulations if there&#039;s no enforcement?  The AAFD gives awards for fair contracts but doesn&#039;t seem to concerned about whether they were even given to prospects in accordance with the law.  And throughout this whole ordeal, there&#039;s not a peep from the FTC, state franchise regulators, state attorneys general or law enforcement.  
Make &amp; Take Gourmet talked about selling unregistered franchises and gave earnings claims in NY business publications and no one bothered to stop them... still haven&#039;t.  Nobody&#039;s at the wheel... so why bother to comply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guest:<br />
I would hardly call Dale Nabors a coward.  Taking over that company and putting his reputation on the line with the kind of publicity and scrutiny was a pretty bold move.  I&#8217;m not saying a wise move, but it certainly wasn&#8217;t a cowardly move.</p>
<p>I also would not characterize the AAFD&#8217;s open door as any test of commitment to franchisees.  I&#8217;d rather see money get returned to the rightful owners &#8211; the depositers of tens of thousands of dollars &#8211; than to the AAFD for a space on the stage at next year&#8217;s karaoke contest.</p>
<p>Carol:<br />
I think the Cuppy&#8217;s story is a good demonstration as to why pre-sale disclosure and legislation alone will not solve this problem.  All of the regulation put in place for presale disclosure was worthless, in this case, because there&#8217;s no enforcement.<br />
What good are regulations if there&#8217;s no enforcement?  The AAFD gives awards for fair contracts but doesn&#8217;t seem to concerned about whether they were even given to prospects in accordance with the law.  And throughout this whole ordeal, there&#8217;s not a peep from the FTC, state franchise regulators, state attorneys general or law enforcement.<br />
Make &#038; Take Gourmet talked about selling unregistered franchises and gave earnings claims in NY business publications and no one bothered to stop them&#8230; still haven&#8217;t.  Nobody&#8217;s at the wheel&#8230; so why bother to comply?</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this kind of attack on Dale Nabor&#039;s is unnecessary.   I don&#039;t understand why Dale bought Cuppy&#039;s but apparently he thought he could make money for himself or he wouldn&#039;t have bought into the mess.  Apparently,  the AAFD thought they could do damage control and that Cuppy&#039;s could survive,  which would be good for all of the current franchisees of Cuppy&#039;s who are the real losers if this franchise goes under.     

The Cuppy&#039;s Mess demonstrates the problem with the franchising model itself.    Franchisors are encouraged by the status quo of regulation and the law to try to grow franchise chains and under the law,  their contracts protect them from franchisees who fail in arbitration and the courts.  This emboldens them, of course,  and encourages overselling of franchises to perpetuate the franchise system and grow the gross sales of the systems upon which the franchisors realize their profits.              

Obviously,  Dale Nabors knew that the current contracts would protect him from Cuppy&#039;s Franchisees who failed or would fail in the future,  but ENOUGH  Cuppy&#039;s franchisees were standing that he thought he could revive the system and grow it in the future. 

Obviously,  the negative publicity hasn&#039;t helped sales and the black swan of a recession hangs over all commercial activity.      

Couldn&#039;t all of &quot;franchise&quot; abuse and exploitation be stopped if franchisors were required to disclosure UNIT historical financial statistics to new buyers?   Then,  only the viable franchisors would stand in the economy and they would have to compete for the cheap labor and cheap &quot;venture&quot; capital of prospective franchisees to grow their brand chain systems?  

Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this kind of attack on Dale Nabor&#8217;s is unnecessary.   I don&#8217;t understand why Dale bought Cuppy&#8217;s but apparently he thought he could make money for himself or he wouldn&#8217;t have bought into the mess.  Apparently,  the AAFD thought they could do damage control and that Cuppy&#8217;s could survive,  which would be good for all of the current franchisees of Cuppy&#8217;s who are the real losers if this franchise goes under.     </p>
<p>The Cuppy&#8217;s Mess demonstrates the problem with the franchising model itself.    Franchisors are encouraged by the status quo of regulation and the law to try to grow franchise chains and under the law,  their contracts protect them from franchisees who fail in arbitration and the courts.  This emboldens them, of course,  and encourages overselling of franchises to perpetuate the franchise system and grow the gross sales of the systems upon which the franchisors realize their profits.              </p>
<p>Obviously,  Dale Nabors knew that the current contracts would protect him from Cuppy&#8217;s Franchisees who failed or would fail in the future,  but ENOUGH  Cuppy&#8217;s franchisees were standing that he thought he could revive the system and grow it in the future. </p>
<p>Obviously,  the negative publicity hasn&#8217;t helped sales and the black swan of a recession hangs over all commercial activity.      </p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t all of &#8220;franchise&#8221; abuse and exploitation be stopped if franchisors were required to disclosure UNIT historical financial statistics to new buyers?   Then,  only the viable franchisors would stand in the economy and they would have to compete for the cheap labor and cheap &#8220;venture&#8221; capital of prospective franchisees to grow their brand chain systems?  </p>
<p>Carol</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed in the above mentioned article that Mr. Purvin states, &quot; the door is open to communication and an honest effort to resolve the growing conflict and controversy surrounding Cuppy&#039;s Coffee.&quot;  Dale Nabors will never step forward into that door.  He prefers running in the opposite direction.  He is a coward and spineless.  The franchisee&#039;s that he is running from are actually lucky.  Down the road the francisee&#039;s that he does open stores for are just putting off the inevitable road to bankruptcy and failure.  Dale Nabor&#039;s leadership qualities are a joke.  He hides behind several very uneducate people that he has &quot;brainwashed&quot; into thinking they have a future with this &quot;sinking ship,&quot; Cuppy&#039;s Coffee.  Shame on you Dale Nabors, not only for the lives you&#039;ve already ruined but the others that you will bury in the very near future.

Dales Nabors famous last words...

Believe (my lies) And Succeed (in going broke)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed in the above mentioned article that Mr. Purvin states, &#8221; the door is open to communication and an honest effort to resolve the growing conflict and controversy surrounding Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee.&#8221;  Dale Nabors will never step forward into that door.  He prefers running in the opposite direction.  He is a coward and spineless.  The franchisee&#8217;s that he is running from are actually lucky.  Down the road the francisee&#8217;s that he does open stores for are just putting off the inevitable road to bankruptcy and failure.  Dale Nabor&#8217;s leadership qualities are a joke.  He hides behind several very uneducate people that he has &#8220;brainwashed&#8221; into thinking they have a future with this &#8220;sinking ship,&#8221; Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee.  Shame on you Dale Nabors, not only for the lives you&#8217;ve already ruined but the others that you will bury in the very near future.</p>
<p>Dales Nabors famous last words&#8230;</p>
<p>Believe (my lies) And Succeed (in going broke)</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that Michael Webster and others who promote the AAFD would just want to leave this alone.   

Just exactly,  what is Sean&#039;s Conflict of Interest in real terms, Michael Webster.   Surely you can speak more plainly that this!  It&#039;s not like you to want the last word.          

If Sean hadn&#039;t given these franchisees a voice and made an issue of this,   wouldn&#039;t more prospective franchisees have been put at risk.   There is no doubt that the Cuppy&#039;s Website was using the AAFD Fair Contract Accreditation to sell franchises, is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that Michael Webster and others who promote the AAFD would just want to leave this alone.   </p>
<p>Just exactly,  what is Sean&#8217;s Conflict of Interest in real terms, Michael Webster.   Surely you can speak more plainly that this!  It&#8217;s not like you to want the last word.          </p>
<p>If Sean hadn&#8217;t given these franchisees a voice and made an issue of this,   wouldn&#8217;t more prospective franchisees have been put at risk.   There is no doubt that the Cuppy&#8217;s Website was using the AAFD Fair Contract Accreditation to sell franchises, is there?</p>
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		<title>By: michael webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean;

It is appearances that count.  In retrospect, the easiest way to have disclosed your possible conflict of interest would have been to have &quot;coffee.franbest.com&quot; appear beneath your signature when posting about Cuppy&#039;s  or any coffee franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean;</p>
<p>It is appearances that count.  In retrospect, the easiest way to have disclosed your possible conflict of interest would have been to have &#8220;coffee.franbest.com&#8221; appear beneath your signature when posting about Cuppy&#8217;s  or any coffee franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike:

There&#039;s nothing to disclose.  I&#039;m currently making my living blogging and if links in the sidebar under a list of my sites isn&#039;t full disclosure, I&#039;m not sure what you want.

Eventually, conversation on BMM like many forums ends in character assassination and that&#039;s why people come for a while, participate, and then leave.  If you think the points I make and made - and all of the evidence I&#039;ve sent your way - are on par with Paul&#039;s fantasies, that&#039;s fine.

The fact that I don&#039;t work for any coffee company currently - and that none would hire someone to sink Cuppy&#039;s when they&#039;ve done such a fine job on their own - is probably not worth bringing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to disclose.  I&#8217;m currently making my living blogging and if links in the sidebar under a list of my sites isn&#8217;t full disclosure, I&#8217;m not sure what you want.</p>
<p>Eventually, conversation on BMM like many forums ends in character assassination and that&#8217;s why people come for a while, participate, and then leave.  If you think the points I make and made &#8211; and all of the evidence I&#8217;ve sent your way &#8211; are on par with Paul&#8217;s fantasies, that&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p>The fact that I don&#8217;t work for any coffee company currently &#8211; and that none would hire someone to sink Cuppy&#8217;s when they&#8217;ve done such a fine job on their own &#8211; is probably not worth bringing up.</p>
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		<title>By: michael webster</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be clear, I have not attacked Sean the messenger.

However, I believe that Paul&#039;s comments on BMM about disclosing competing interests are relevant.

Sean knows what his client list is, but to maintain objectivity, when you have a pro franchisor X site, and you are commenting on a franchisor, it is appropriate to mention or raise your possible conflict of interest.

The appearance of a conflict is what matters.  And, conflicts of interest are not simply the province of attorneys.

I will say that I believe, on the evidence provided so far, that Paul&#039;s assertion of a secret campaign by Sean has as much plausibility of Sean&#039;s assertion that Purvin is somehow in bed with fraud artists.

But, as Sean is finding out, it is very difficult to refute such suggestions - especially when made by a talented attorney like Paul.

I have personally come to no conclusion about Paul&#039;s suspicions - except to note that it would have been more appropriate for Sean to have fully disclosed the coffee blogs earlier.

Unfortunately, for Sean, his valid criticisms of the AAFD, and there certainly are some, may well be lost in a general &quot;Sean is a hypocrite&quot; mood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I have not attacked Sean the messenger.</p>
<p>However, I believe that Paul&#8217;s comments on BMM about disclosing competing interests are relevant.</p>
<p>Sean knows what his client list is, but to maintain objectivity, when you have a pro franchisor X site, and you are commenting on a franchisor, it is appropriate to mention or raise your possible conflict of interest.</p>
<p>The appearance of a conflict is what matters.  And, conflicts of interest are not simply the province of attorneys.</p>
<p>I will say that I believe, on the evidence provided so far, that Paul&#8217;s assertion of a secret campaign by Sean has as much plausibility of Sean&#8217;s assertion that Purvin is somehow in bed with fraud artists.</p>
<p>But, as Sean is finding out, it is very difficult to refute such suggestions &#8211; especially when made by a talented attorney like Paul.</p>
<p>I have personally come to no conclusion about Paul&#8217;s suspicions &#8211; except to note that it would have been more appropriate for Sean to have fully disclosed the coffee blogs earlier.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, for Sean, his valid criticisms of the AAFD, and there certainly are some, may well be lost in a general &#8220;Sean is a hypocrite&#8221; mood.</p>
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		<title>By: sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I guess I should ask Paul Steinberg if there is somnething personal between the two of you. Paul’s response did surprise me. &lt;/i&gt;
Paul&#039;s ad hominem attacks were uncharacteristic and unfounded.  They were proceeded by a couple of other posts where he tried to discredit my argument by mischaracterizing it.
Maybe he had a bad day.  Maybe he feels the AAFD needs defending.  Maybe I hurt his feelings inadvertently as we bantered back and forth.  
I have to say it&#039;s a little disappointing for him to go after my integrity in such a slanderous way, especially when I defended him when he was maliciously attacked by anonymous Cuppy&#039;s defamers last year.  But it&#039;s a good reminder that if you&#039;re going to bash the status quo, you need to watch your back.
I still have a world of respect for Paul, and I&#039;ve learned a lot from him and Michael Webster.  I agree that Beguiling Heresy was excellent.  Hopefully, he was just kidding around or had a momentary brain freeze from eating a $2 Cuppy&#039;s Snow Cone.  It&#039;s really his reputation that stands to suffer from this attack, as the simple truth is that I don&#039;t have any clients in the coffee industry and haven&#039;t for a year or more.  My supposedly secret coffee website is openly linked to on every site I have, and contains news from every coffee franchise I could find.
As I look back, I have hammered at the AAFD pretty hard (I blame Mr. Blue Mau Mau for continuing to wave its unfortunate actions in front of me like a red flag in front of a bull.)  My last few comments attacking their franchisee associations as franchising&#039;s &quot;student councils&quot; was probably over the line, since what I&#039;m most familiar with is their mishandling of Cuppy&#039;s Coffee.  
I did not create the AAFD&#039;s declining participation or revenue, and I didn&#039;t cause its waning credibility.  All the personal attacks in the world can&#039;t change the fact that an association needs to stand for something for it to be relevant.  The AAFD can&#039;t feign franchise fairness, then promote unfair settlements;  it can&#039;t denounce gag orders, then abide settlement offers containing gag orders;  it can&#039;t sell badges of credibility to those engaging in fraud and then be surprised when their credibility is damaged.
Cuppy&#039;s Coffee was a highly publicized (at least on the Internet) situation where prospective, new and existing franchisees were in need of the very advocacy the AAFD was formed to provide.  It was a golden opportunity for the AAFD to demonstrate that it could play a vital and relevant role in the process.  It was an opportunity for it to show what it&#039;s made of.
Unfortunately, the AAFD would rather fume about the criticism, and its defenders would rather attack the messenger, rather than acknowledge and address its own disappointing actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I guess I should ask Paul Steinberg if there is somnething personal between the two of you. Paul’s response did surprise me. </i><br />
Paul&#8217;s ad hominem attacks were uncharacteristic and unfounded.  They were proceeded by a couple of other posts where he tried to discredit my argument by mischaracterizing it.<br />
Maybe he had a bad day.  Maybe he feels the AAFD needs defending.  Maybe I hurt his feelings inadvertently as we bantered back and forth.<br />
I have to say it&#8217;s a little disappointing for him to go after my integrity in such a slanderous way, especially when I defended him when he was maliciously attacked by anonymous Cuppy&#8217;s defamers last year.  But it&#8217;s a good reminder that if you&#8217;re going to bash the status quo, you need to watch your back.<br />
I still have a world of respect for Paul, and I&#8217;ve learned a lot from him and Michael Webster.  I agree that Beguiling Heresy was excellent.  Hopefully, he was just kidding around or had a momentary brain freeze from eating a $2 Cuppy&#8217;s Snow Cone.  It&#8217;s really his reputation that stands to suffer from this attack, as the simple truth is that I don&#8217;t have any clients in the coffee industry and haven&#8217;t for a year or more.  My supposedly secret coffee website is openly linked to on every site I have, and contains news from every coffee franchise I could find.<br />
As I look back, I have hammered at the AAFD pretty hard (I blame Mr. Blue Mau Mau for continuing to wave its unfortunate actions in front of me like a red flag in front of a bull.)  My last few comments attacking their franchisee associations as franchising&#8217;s &#8220;student councils&#8221; was probably over the line, since what I&#8217;m most familiar with is their mishandling of Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee.<br />
I did not create the AAFD&#8217;s declining participation or revenue, and I didn&#8217;t cause its waning credibility.  All the personal attacks in the world can&#8217;t change the fact that an association needs to stand for something for it to be relevant.  The AAFD can&#8217;t feign franchise fairness, then promote unfair settlements;  it can&#8217;t denounce gag orders, then abide settlement offers containing gag orders;  it can&#8217;t sell badges of credibility to those engaging in fraud and then be surprised when their credibility is damaged.<br />
Cuppy&#8217;s Coffee was a highly publicized (at least on the Internet) situation where prospective, new and existing franchisees were in need of the very advocacy the AAFD was formed to provide.  It was a golden opportunity for the AAFD to demonstrate that it could play a vital and relevant role in the process.  It was an opportunity for it to show what it&#8217;s made of.<br />
Unfortunately, the AAFD would rather fume about the criticism, and its defenders would rather attack the messenger, rather than acknowledge and address its own disappointing actions.</p>
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