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		<title>By: quixtarisacult</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/amway-an-mlm-scam-recent-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-362284</link>
		<dc:creator>quixtarisacult</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amway apologists nearly always repeat the same tired themes: financial freedom; the 2 to 5 year plan; fire the boss; being &#039;independent&#039;, and so forth.  They are taught to &#039;believe&#039; in the face of some very disturbing circumstances where they are always required to &#039;pay out&#039; and not necessarily &#039;receive in.&#039; 

Amway products are basically so priced as to be absolutely unretailable outside of the &#039;distribution chain&#039; of &#039;distributors&#039; who for all intents and purposes are the only retail customers that Amway can brag about.  These erstwhile business men and women raid their own warehouses and stock the excess in their pantries.  

Amway believers are exposed to the illogical &#039;tool and function&#039; business run by the Amway &#039;kingpins&#039;.  This is not a benign affair as some Amway believers claim.  Total expense for the vast amount of books, CDs, tapes, phone message systems, quarterly rally attendance, and related transportation-lodging expense can extend into the thousands of dollars.  Yes, one CD can be about $8 dollars, but this is just a mere drop in the bucket to what I&#039;ve personally seen people actually spend.  Amway expects all these &#039;supposed independent business people&#039; to basically cover all their own &#039;over-head&#039; and provide many hours of personal time (for basically free) in the hope that they recruit others.  

Amway IBOs may pay lip service to the idea of &#039;selling&#039; the badly overpriced, unremarkable products, but in the end, they are taught the &#039;art&#039; of &#039;duplication&#039; and the well known principle of &#039;buy from yourself and teach others to do the same&#039; for which they believe is the ultimate key to finding riches in the Amway &#039;game of greed.&#039;  Sadly, in the end, the enrich the top of the pyramid kingpin distributors and the Ada Devos-Van Andel criminogenic swindlers based in Ada, Michigan.  

Amway apologists brag that Amway has been in existence for over 50 years and hold this out as legitimacy.  They fail to mention the thousands and thousands of people who have been suckered, run through the Amway grist mill, over this period of time where the rolling failure rate for nearly all entrants approaches 100 percent.  Amway has been described by Robert Fitzpatrick, pyramid scheme expert, as the &#039;American Scam&#039;.  

It is interesting to note that Amway, at the present day, founded as the &#039;American Way&#039; does most of its business in places like Communist China.  They seek to find new &#039;suckers&#039; for their scheme outside of the U.S. because their affairs and reputation have deservedly been scuttled in the Americas. Indeed the financial and social distress of the Amway cult makes Amway a pernicious world cult, which for all intents and purposes makes it just as pernicious of a scheme as Scientology (which has recently been convicted in France of Stealing the livelihood of believing &#039;adherents&#039; there). 

By a majority opinion of high justices in the world&#039;s largest democracy, the Republic of India, Amway is in violation of India&#039;s laws against money circulation schemes, similar to U.S. laws against pyramid and Ponzi schemes in the U.S..  

Amway hides behind an ever increasing &#039;labyrinth&#039; of independent corporate structures, but rest assured, all the money extracted from this ongoing regime goes into the coffers of U.S. based racketteers.  These fellows then use these &#039;revenues&#039; to buy protection under the guise of one Richard Devos.  

Recently it has been announced that the American Way is &#039;outsourcing&#039; many of its corporate &#039;accountant&#039; jobs out of country.  These folks after having &#039;taken&#039; Americans for half a century are basically moving on.  They benefit by taking their affairs to China and elsewhere, where differences in culture and language tends to mask the truth of how they&#039;ve swindled the American public in their own homeland. 

To advocate Amway to others should be a crime: Intent to Defraud.  Word to the wise. quixtarisacult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amway apologists nearly always repeat the same tired themes: financial freedom; the 2 to 5 year plan; fire the boss; being &#8216;independent&#8217;, and so forth.  They are taught to &#8216;believe&#8217; in the face of some very disturbing circumstances where they are always required to &#8216;pay out&#8217; and not necessarily &#8216;receive in.&#8217; </p>
<p>Amway products are basically so priced as to be absolutely unretailable outside of the &#8216;distribution chain&#8217; of &#8216;distributors&#8217; who for all intents and purposes are the only retail customers that Amway can brag about.  These erstwhile business men and women raid their own warehouses and stock the excess in their pantries.  </p>
<p>Amway believers are exposed to the illogical &#8216;tool and function&#8217; business run by the Amway &#8216;kingpins&#8217;.  This is not a benign affair as some Amway believers claim.  Total expense for the vast amount of books, CDs, tapes, phone message systems, quarterly rally attendance, and related transportation-lodging expense can extend into the thousands of dollars.  Yes, one CD can be about $8 dollars, but this is just a mere drop in the bucket to what I&#8217;ve personally seen people actually spend.  Amway expects all these &#8217;supposed independent business people&#8217; to basically cover all their own &#8216;over-head&#8217; and provide many hours of personal time (for basically free) in the hope that they recruit others.  </p>
<p>Amway IBOs may pay lip service to the idea of &#8217;selling&#8217; the badly overpriced, unremarkable products, but in the end, they are taught the &#8216;art&#8217; of &#8216;duplication&#8217; and the well known principle of &#8216;buy from yourself and teach others to do the same&#8217; for which they believe is the ultimate key to finding riches in the Amway &#8216;game of greed.&#8217;  Sadly, in the end, the enrich the top of the pyramid kingpin distributors and the Ada Devos-Van Andel criminogenic swindlers based in Ada, Michigan.  </p>
<p>Amway apologists brag that Amway has been in existence for over 50 years and hold this out as legitimacy.  They fail to mention the thousands and thousands of people who have been suckered, run through the Amway grist mill, over this period of time where the rolling failure rate for nearly all entrants approaches 100 percent.  Amway has been described by Robert Fitzpatrick, pyramid scheme expert, as the &#8216;American Scam&#8217;.  </p>
<p>It is interesting to note that Amway, at the present day, founded as the &#8216;American Way&#8217; does most of its business in places like Communist China.  They seek to find new &#8217;suckers&#8217; for their scheme outside of the U.S. because their affairs and reputation have deservedly been scuttled in the Americas. Indeed the financial and social distress of the Amway cult makes Amway a pernicious world cult, which for all intents and purposes makes it just as pernicious of a scheme as Scientology (which has recently been convicted in France of Stealing the livelihood of believing &#8216;adherents&#8217; there). </p>
<p>By a majority opinion of high justices in the world&#8217;s largest democracy, the Republic of India, Amway is in violation of India&#8217;s laws against money circulation schemes, similar to U.S. laws against pyramid and Ponzi schemes in the U.S..  </p>
<p>Amway hides behind an ever increasing &#8216;labyrinth&#8217; of independent corporate structures, but rest assured, all the money extracted from this ongoing regime goes into the coffers of U.S. based racketteers.  These fellows then use these &#8216;revenues&#8217; to buy protection under the guise of one Richard Devos.  </p>
<p>Recently it has been announced that the American Way is &#8216;outsourcing&#8217; many of its corporate &#8216;accountant&#8217; jobs out of country.  These folks after having &#8216;taken&#8217; Americans for half a century are basically moving on.  They benefit by taking their affairs to China and elsewhere, where differences in culture and language tends to mask the truth of how they&#8217;ve swindled the American public in their own homeland. </p>
<p>To advocate Amway to others should be a crime: Intent to Defraud.  Word to the wise. quixtarisacult.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Amway cult has contributed to broken marriages, strained friendships, church problems, and other assorted ills.

For true stories visit mlmsurvivors.com and search their archives.

In 40 yrs. of studying MLM fraud I have not found a better detection method than
the 5 red flags found at mlm-thetruth.com
also visit pyramidschemealert.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Amway cult has contributed to broken marriages, strained friendships, church problems, and other assorted ills.</p>
<p>For true stories visit mlmsurvivors.com and search their archives.</p>
<p>In 40 yrs. of studying MLM fraud I have not found a better detection method than<br />
the 5 red flags found at mlm-thetruth.com<br />
also visit pyramidschemealert.org</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sister Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that has been overlooked in most of the criticisms of Amway/Quixtar is the Registration Contract itself. Unless you are an attorney, you have no idea just how restrictive, one-sided, and dangerous it is to sign an Amway Independent Distributor Registration Agreement.  

First, if you never achieve any success with Amway, you don&#039;t risk much by signing the contract. But if you reach a level that the corporation considers successful and then try to leave, watch out!!

On the back of this form, Item 6 describes Amway Global&#039;s Proprietary Information and Trade Secrets.  This paragraph states that any information in the Line of Sponsorship is the proprietary, trade secret information owned exclusively by Amway.  This means that even though you will spend time, gas money, and money for other sales materials; you convince a friend or family member to join Amway; you collect their personal information; and you enter that information into Amway’s system—now that information is owned exclusively by Amway and you cannot use it without their express permission and ONLY to build your Amway business.  Why does this matter?  See Item 8.

Item 8 is the Non-Solicitation Agreement.  Any normal person would define “solicitation” as the act of urging, persuading, petitioning, or requesting.  For example, you resign from Amway, and twelve months later join another network marketing company.  You and I would define solicitation as actively calling other associates in Amway and encouraging them to quit and join you in your new venture.  You are I are wrong!!

Here is an example:

You resign from Amway.  You wait out the “non-compete” and six months later you join a different network marketing company.  You and I would think that we cannot call or otherwise contact another Amway IBO to ask him to join your new business for two years, according to the non-solicitation clause.  You and I are wrong!

A former associate from your Line of Sponsorship in Amway calls you seven months after you left Amway, asks if you are involved in another business, and asks you to give him some information about that new business.  The Amway Global attorney says that unless you say “no,” you are guilty of solicitation and have violated this clause!

On the front of the Registration Agreement is the Agreement to Mediate and Arbitrate any disputes.  Seems harmless enough, until you realize the truth.  If Amway decides you have violated any of it’s Rules, it can haul you in to arbitration.  The arbitrator is selected from a company that relies on large corporations like Amway for business, so they are automatically biased.  (In other words, if they rule against Amway, Amway won’t bring them any more business!)  Arbitration is binding—you have no recourse when you are ruled against.  And Arbitration is secret, so you and I have no way of knowing how many other existing and former IBOs have been sued in Arbritration and lost.

Further, you must pay one-half of all the Arbitration costs, currently running about $6,000 per day.  And any arbitration judgement will be upheld in court, so once the ruling is made, you are stuck.

Don’t believe me?  I achieved the Emerald level in Quixtar.  The most I ever made was $75,000 one year from Quixtar.  In 2007 there was a big upheaval and Quixtar issued a statement saying “Just Go, Team.”  As a result, most of the IBOs in my group quit.  Many more did not renew in 2008.  So I quit also—what’s the point of building a business if the company will not protect it?  Mind you, I resigned AFTER most of the people in my group had already quit. 

Seven months later I joined another network marketing company.  A few of the people who were formerly in my Quixtar group contacted me and asked to join my new business. I made sure they had completed their six-month non-compete in Quixtar’s rules, and then registered them with my new business. 

Quixtar has sued me in Arbitration saying that I violated the Non-Solicitation clause.  They are asking for millions of dollars in damages because of the lost business I caused them.  (Remember, these are people who had already quit Quixtar before I quit!!!)  I have to take this seriously because I will be held to any judgement the arbitrator decides on.  And the last guy that I know of who was sued by Quixtar in arbitration was ordered to pay Quixtar $12 million. 

Don’t believe me?  Buyer, beware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that has been overlooked in most of the criticisms of Amway/Quixtar is the Registration Contract itself. Unless you are an attorney, you have no idea just how restrictive, one-sided, and dangerous it is to sign an Amway Independent Distributor Registration Agreement.  </p>
<p>First, if you never achieve any success with Amway, you don&#8217;t risk much by signing the contract. But if you reach a level that the corporation considers successful and then try to leave, watch out!!</p>
<p>On the back of this form, Item 6 describes Amway Global&#8217;s Proprietary Information and Trade Secrets.  This paragraph states that any information in the Line of Sponsorship is the proprietary, trade secret information owned exclusively by Amway.  This means that even though you will spend time, gas money, and money for other sales materials; you convince a friend or family member to join Amway; you collect their personal information; and you enter that information into Amway’s system—now that information is owned exclusively by Amway and you cannot use it without their express permission and ONLY to build your Amway business.  Why does this matter?  See Item 8.</p>
<p>Item 8 is the Non-Solicitation Agreement.  Any normal person would define “solicitation” as the act of urging, persuading, petitioning, or requesting.  For example, you resign from Amway, and twelve months later join another network marketing company.  You and I would define solicitation as actively calling other associates in Amway and encouraging them to quit and join you in your new venture.  You are I are wrong!!</p>
<p>Here is an example:</p>
<p>You resign from Amway.  You wait out the “non-compete” and six months later you join a different network marketing company.  You and I would think that we cannot call or otherwise contact another Amway IBO to ask him to join your new business for two years, according to the non-solicitation clause.  You and I are wrong!</p>
<p>A former associate from your Line of Sponsorship in Amway calls you seven months after you left Amway, asks if you are involved in another business, and asks you to give him some information about that new business.  The Amway Global attorney says that unless you say “no,” you are guilty of solicitation and have violated this clause!</p>
<p>On the front of the Registration Agreement is the Agreement to Mediate and Arbitrate any disputes.  Seems harmless enough, until you realize the truth.  If Amway decides you have violated any of it’s Rules, it can haul you in to arbitration.  The arbitrator is selected from a company that relies on large corporations like Amway for business, so they are automatically biased.  (In other words, if they rule against Amway, Amway won’t bring them any more business!)  Arbitration is binding—you have no recourse when you are ruled against.  And Arbitration is secret, so you and I have no way of knowing how many other existing and former IBOs have been sued in Arbritration and lost.</p>
<p>Further, you must pay one-half of all the Arbitration costs, currently running about $6,000 per day.  And any arbitration judgement will be upheld in court, so once the ruling is made, you are stuck.</p>
<p>Don’t believe me?  I achieved the Emerald level in Quixtar.  The most I ever made was $75,000 one year from Quixtar.  In 2007 there was a big upheaval and Quixtar issued a statement saying “Just Go, Team.”  As a result, most of the IBOs in my group quit.  Many more did not renew in 2008.  So I quit also—what’s the point of building a business if the company will not protect it?  Mind you, I resigned AFTER most of the people in my group had already quit. </p>
<p>Seven months later I joined another network marketing company.  A few of the people who were formerly in my Quixtar group contacted me and asked to join my new business. I made sure they had completed their six-month non-compete in Quixtar’s rules, and then registered them with my new business. </p>
<p>Quixtar has sued me in Arbitration saying that I violated the Non-Solicitation clause.  They are asking for millions of dollars in damages because of the lost business I caused them.  (Remember, these are people who had already quit Quixtar before I quit!!!)  I have to take this seriously because I will be held to any judgement the arbitrator decides on.  And the last guy that I know of who was sued by Quixtar in arbitration was ordered to pay Quixtar $12 million. </p>
<p>Don’t believe me?  Buyer, beware.</p>
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		<title>By: ibo_fb</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/amway-an-mlm-scam-recent-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-305219</link>
		<dc:creator>ibo_fb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What incredible article by the Washington post?  Forbes called Amway a pyramid scheme.  Just becaise they&#039;ve been around a long time doesn&#039;t mean Amway IBO&#039;s make any money.  You guys are funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What incredible article by the Washington post?  Forbes called Amway a pyramid scheme.  Just becaise they&#8217;ve been around a long time doesn&#8217;t mean Amway IBO&#8217;s make any money.  You guys are funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/amway-an-mlm-scam-recent-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-305293</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it would be a scam I don&#039;t think the Washington Post would write an Incredible review on it. Also, scams don&#039;t last long and Amway Global has been the leader in MLM for the past 50 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it would be a scam I don&#8217;t think the Washington Post would write an Incredible review on it. Also, scams don&#8217;t last long and Amway Global has been the leader in MLM for the past 50 years!</p>
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		<title>By: Candle Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/amway-an-mlm-scam-recent-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-305295</link>
		<dc:creator>Candle Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;re both right... 

Brad seems happy with Amway and his upline and that makes it easier for him to invest the time and effort to make this work for him. 

Jeffrey was not happy with Amway or his upline and so he wasn&#039;t able to make the commitment needed to succeed and moved on to one that works better for him. 

What they&#039;ve illustrated with their diffrences is the one thing they haven&#039;t said. You need to find the MLM and upline that you&#039;re comfortable working with in order for it to be sucessful for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#8217;re both right&#8230; </p>
<p>Brad seems happy with Amway and his upline and that makes it easier for him to invest the time and effort to make this work for him. </p>
<p>Jeffrey was not happy with Amway or his upline and so he wasn&#8217;t able to make the commitment needed to succeed and moved on to one that works better for him. </p>
<p>What they&#8217;ve illustrated with their diffrences is the one thing they haven&#8217;t said. You need to find the MLM and upline that you&#8217;re comfortable working with in order for it to be sucessful for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Jeff.  The Amway products are too expensive when you compare to Walgreens or WalMart.  And the tools are a constant drain on your finances.  Seems as if the tools sales were more of a priority for my former upline than the success of the downline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Jeff.  The Amway products are too expensive when you compare to Walgreens or WalMart.  And the tools are a constant drain on your finances.  Seems as if the tools sales were more of a priority for my former upline than the success of the downline.</p>
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		<title>By: James Dempsey</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Dempsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic info 
How long you been in mlm sean I only ask because you seem so on top of your game. 
Thankyou 
James Dempsey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic info<br />
How long you been in mlm sean I only ask because you seem so on top of your game.<br />
Thankyou<br />
James Dempsey</p>
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