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	<title>Comments on: Higher Education May Not Be a Requirement for Business Success, but Basic Education Is</title>
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		<title>By: Alicia, Mental Health Notes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia, Mental Health Notes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accurately assessing a student&#039;s...intelligence (I guess, for lack of better word right now - I guess I could say &quot;academic abilities,&quot; &quot;information retention,&quot; or something like that, as well) is a tricky business at best. A teacher could have a genius sitting in his/her classroom, but never know it (or have proof of it) if the kid doesn&#039;t complete assignments, doesn&#039;t really try on tests, etc. I guess one of the things Dallas is &lt;i&gt;saying&lt;/i&gt; they&#039;re trying to do (by all this mention of &quot;fair&quot;) is allot this extra time to turn stuff in so that their work/what they&#039;ve learned/their abilities are graded and not tossed. (When what they really seem to be doing, like you said, is facilitating a graduation process.)

Is it right? HELL NO. School isn&#039;t just about learning particular subjects. It&#039;s also about growing the crap up. You may be a great writer, a whiz with numbers, or a potions master, but if you don&#039;t get up off your tail and do the work, and turn the work in when it&#039;s due, and actually show proof that you can do these things, you&#039;re also lazy, careless, and arrogant. Why should teachers be forced to bend to that? Would an employer? NO. If you never came to work on time and never completed your duties on time, your butt would be fired.

These new policies are teaching the kids they can do whatever they want. Will that lesson benefit them in the real world? Not until they&#039;re taught the second part (i.e. the falling on the ass).

I feel sorry for the teachers in that district. I can only imagine how frustrated they must be. 

Sorry, Kristen, got a little carried away there! Great post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accurately assessing a student&#8217;s&#8230;intelligence (I guess, for lack of better word right now &#8211; I guess I could say &#8220;academic abilities,&#8221; &#8220;information retention,&#8221; or something like that, as well) is a tricky business at best. A teacher could have a genius sitting in his/her classroom, but never know it (or have proof of it) if the kid doesn&#8217;t complete assignments, doesn&#8217;t really try on tests, etc. I guess one of the things Dallas is <i>saying</i> they&#8217;re trying to do (by all this mention of &#8220;fair&#8221;) is allot this extra time to turn stuff in so that their work/what they&#8217;ve learned/their abilities are graded and not tossed. (When what they really seem to be doing, like you said, is facilitating a graduation process.)</p>
<p>Is it right? HELL NO. School isn&#8217;t just about learning particular subjects. It&#8217;s also about growing the crap up. You may be a great writer, a whiz with numbers, or a potions master, but if you don&#8217;t get up off your tail and do the work, and turn the work in when it&#8217;s due, and actually show proof that you can do these things, you&#8217;re also lazy, careless, and arrogant. Why should teachers be forced to bend to that? Would an employer? NO. If you never came to work on time and never completed your duties on time, your butt would be fired.</p>
<p>These new policies are teaching the kids they can do whatever they want. Will that lesson benefit them in the real world? Not until they&#8217;re taught the second part (i.e. the falling on the ass).</p>
<p>I feel sorry for the teachers in that district. I can only imagine how frustrated they must be. </p>
<p>Sorry, Kristen, got a little carried away there! Great post :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miki, great strategy, and one I think MAY do something -- even if htat something is making DISD look stupid on a collossal level, which may deter other districts from adopting such boneheaded policies.

Thanks for stoping by, CandidProf. You wrote a really great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miki, great strategy, and one I think MAY do something &#8212; even if htat something is making DISD look stupid on a collossal level, which may deter other districts from adopting such boneheaded policies.</p>
<p>Thanks for stoping by, CandidProf. You wrote a really great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me folks, but I&#039;d like to clarify my use of &#039;yelling&#039;.

The yelling to which I&#039;m referring is the &#039;noise&#039; a group of bloggers is capable of generating to focus attention of a given situation. 

My hope was that if enough bloggers picked up this subject, with Dallas as a prime example, that the sound they generated would awake the fury of enough folks to generate real change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me folks, but I&#8217;d like to clarify my use of &#8216;yelling&#8217;.</p>
<p>The yelling to which I&#8217;m referring is the &#8216;noise&#8217; a group of bloggers is capable of generating to focus attention of a given situation. </p>
<p>My hope was that if enough bloggers picked up this subject, with Dallas as a prime example, that the sound they generated would awake the fury of enough folks to generate real change.</p>
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		<title>By: CandidProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>CandidProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristin, you are exactly right, we need action not just griping.  That is what we are trying to get people to do with this discussion.  Maybe the more people who are thinking about the direction that education is going, the more will take action to stop the slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristin, you are exactly right, we need action not just griping.  That is what we are trying to get people to do with this discussion.  Maybe the more people who are thinking about the direction that education is going, the more will take action to stop the slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think yelling is going to help. Acting, however, will. And if this discussion spurs people to act, well, great! 

Darlene, if you read Candid Prof&#039;s post over at Leadership Turn (linked in my post) you&#039;ll see an example of why hiring competent and uncompromising people isn&#039;t going to solve the problem: Parents and school boards are forcing out teachers and administrators who refuse to compromise (translation: give in and pass their slacker brats). 

Miki, you said it just right: &quot;After all, you wouldn’t want to dent their sense of entitlement by making them accountable, would you?&quot;

Accountability is only important to people anymore when it&#039;s someone ELSE being accountable. 

Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think yelling is going to help. Acting, however, will. And if this discussion spurs people to act, well, great! </p>
<p>Darlene, if you read Candid Prof&#8217;s post over at Leadership Turn (linked in my post) you&#8217;ll see an example of why hiring competent and uncompromising people isn&#8217;t going to solve the problem: Parents and school boards are forcing out teachers and administrators who refuse to compromise (translation: give in and pass their slacker brats). </p>
<p>Miki, you said it just right: &#8220;After all, you wouldn’t want to dent their sense of entitlement by making them accountable, would you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Accountability is only important to people anymore when it&#8217;s someone ELSE being accountable. </p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me, but yelling  can do a lot of good, especially when the yellers reach thousands of readers a day.  Maybe, just maybe, we can make enough noise to get people off their butts and out of their apathy long enough to actaully do somehting.

But Americans like things comfortable, don&#039;t like waves and don&#039;t want their little darlings upset. After all, you wouldn&#039;t want to dent their sense of entitlement by making them accountable, would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me, but yelling  can do a lot of good, especially when the yellers reach thousands of readers a day.  Maybe, just maybe, we can make enough noise to get people off their butts and out of their apathy long enough to actaully do somehting.</p>
<p>But Americans like things comfortable, don&#8217;t like waves and don&#8217;t want their little darlings upset. After all, you wouldn&#8217;t want to dent their sense of entitlement by making them accountable, would you?</p>
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		<title>By: Darlene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Miki! Great post Kristen! Yelling won&#039; work. It is not about flexing our vocal chords. It is however about finding competent people do their jobs without compromising standards. 

The unfortunate thing in this situation is that we as Americans will sit in apathy and never do a thing to fight against this foolishness. We can demand standards in our educational system, but we have to have people willing to go to the &quot;mat&quot; to fight for these standards. Kristen&#039;s post is an excellent tool toward fighting the foolishness that people come up with. 

I am a firm believer &quot;that if you think you can&#039;t you are probably right.&quot; If we continue to compromise our educational standards in this country, who knows who will be running this country in 20 years. It will be people that grew up in a generation where standards did not exist, or where standards were so flexible that they do not know right from wrong. We may wake up one day and the person giving the presidential address to the country can barely read. Because we lowered the standard. Won&#039;t that be a day!

Darlene 
Interview Guru
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Miki! Great post Kristen! Yelling won&#8217; work. It is not about flexing our vocal chords. It is however about finding competent people do their jobs without compromising standards. </p>
<p>The unfortunate thing in this situation is that we as Americans will sit in apathy and never do a thing to fight against this foolishness. We can demand standards in our educational system, but we have to have people willing to go to the &#8220;mat&#8221; to fight for these standards. Kristen&#8217;s post is an excellent tool toward fighting the foolishness that people come up with. </p>
<p>I am a firm believer &#8220;that if you think you can&#8217;t you are probably right.&#8221; If we continue to compromise our educational standards in this country, who knows who will be running this country in 20 years. It will be people that grew up in a generation where standards did not exist, or where standards were so flexible that they do not know right from wrong. We may wake up one day and the person giving the presidential address to the country can barely read. Because we lowered the standard. Won&#8217;t that be a day!</p>
<p>Darlene<br />
Interview Guru<br />
<a href="http://www.interviewchatter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.interviewchatter.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Miki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Kristen. It makes you wonder why anyone would become a teacher.

You can see my own comments &lt;a href=&quot;http://mappingcompanysuccess.com/the-dumbing-of-education-aka-education-sucks/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.
Do you think that if enough of us yell loudly enough it might make a difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Kristen. It makes you wonder why anyone would become a teacher.</p>
<p>You can see my own comments <a href="http://mappingcompanysuccess.com/the-dumbing-of-education-aka-education-sucks/">here</a>.<br />
Do you think that if enough of us yell loudly enough it might make a difference?</p>
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