Comments on: MARY KAY: Hot or NOT? (Part 1) http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/ Sports News - Tech Reviews - Entertainment - Life Tips for EveryJoe Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:58:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Scam http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298007 Scam Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:28:08 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298007 mk4me - you're welcome. I'll comment more later but, for now, I'm off to try and sort my erratic hosting out :( mk4me – you’re welcome.

I’ll comment more later but, for now, I’m off to try and sort my erratic hosting out :(

]]> By: Shades of Pink http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298030 Shades of Pink Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:33:58 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298030 Yes, MK4ME! I never heard of "mlm" until I started reading blogs. When I see Mary Kay, Avon, Pampered Chef, Partylite, Tastefully Simple, Tupperware; I think of products to sell. NONE of them appeal to me. Mary Kay fixed my face. I decided that was a company I could get behind. Plain and simple. I view these companies as sales opportunity and the focus is selling NOT recruiting. Perhaps people from those "other" mlm's invaded these other companies? Hmmm.... Yes, MK4ME! I never heard of “mlm” until I started reading blogs. When I see Mary Kay, Avon, Pampered Chef, Partylite, Tastefully Simple, Tupperware; I think of products to sell. NONE of them appeal to me. Mary Kay fixed my face. I decided that was a company I could get behind. Plain and simple. I view these companies as sales opportunity and the focus is selling NOT recruiting. Perhaps people from those “other” mlm’s invaded these other companies? Hmmm….

]]> By: mk4me http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298049 mk4me Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:08:15 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298049 Hey Scam, thanks for the compliment, actually it means alot after reading your comments on mlms and friends. So thanks again. A great point you brought up in your conversation with Shades, the pro-mkers opinion that MK is not, in fact, an mlm, but a direct sales company and there is a difference. I know after the local paper published my pic with the first car I earned, I started receiving calls from other direct sales/mlm companies... trying to get me to join their Company. It was actually a little flattering but funny too. I was told, omg, if you are doing this good in MK, you could do so much better in X Company. The conversations went something like this: mlm caller: mk4me, we have people winning so much more than a car, you could even get your own private island, etc.... mk4me:Sounds great, have you won a car or bought an island yet? No? oh, well, you see I think one of the reasons I have done well with MK is I love the products - you haven't mentioned one word about your products to me? (Insert recruiting speil here). But you focus on recruiting and not selling and with the way you described the pay structure why, even if I would join your Company, why would I join with you? I would go find someone at the top and join, because I would already be further ahead than you from the day I joined, right?? mlm caller: well, you just can't do that, mk4me - hmm, why not?? mlm caller: well, because... hmmm... mk4me - thank you for the offer but I am happy and believe in my products and my Company, when you have acheived what I have acheived in Mary Kay, I would be more than happy to discuss businesses again with you. - have a great day! Some didn't want to say "good bye" but my "no" stayed a NO. Hey Scam, thanks for the compliment, actually it means alot after reading your comments on mlms and friends. So thanks again.

A great point you brought up in your conversation with Shades, the pro-mkers opinion that MK is not, in fact, an mlm, but a direct sales company and there is a difference.

I know after the local paper published my pic with the first car I earned, I started receiving calls from other direct sales/mlm companies… trying to get me to join their Company. It was actually a little flattering but funny too. I was told, omg, if you are doing this good in MK, you could do so much better in X Company. The conversations went something like this:

mlm caller: mk4me, we have people winning so much more than a car, you could even get your own private island, etc….

mk4me:Sounds great, have you won a car or bought an island yet? No? oh, well, you see I think one of the reasons I have done well with MK is I love the products – you haven’t mentioned one word about your products to me? (Insert recruiting speil here). But you focus on recruiting and not selling and with the way you described the pay structure why, even if I would join your Company, why would I join with you? I would go find someone at the top and join, because I would already be further ahead than you from the day I joined, right??
mlm caller: well, you just can’t do that,
mk4me – hmm, why not??
mlm caller: well, because… hmmm…
mk4me – thank you for the offer but I am happy and believe in my products and my Company, when you have acheived what I have acheived in Mary Kay, I would be more than happy to discuss businesses again with you. – have a great day!

Some didn’t want to say “good bye” but my “no” stayed a NO.

]]> By: ex-consultant http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298059 ex-consultant Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:25:34 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298059 David said: "This “feels” sarcastic. Is that what you were going for?" Unfortunately from my perspective, yup, I was being sarcastic. David, the way you write, it makes me recall the way I felt when I joined Mary Kay in the first place. It's too bad we hadn't "met" when I was a newbie. You might've piloted me in a different direction. As it is, I was surrounded by greedy, selfish poo. Don't mean to be offensive. People just really need a reality check. David said: “This “feels” sarcastic. Is that what you were going for?”

Unfortunately from my perspective, yup, I was being sarcastic.

David, the way you write, it makes me recall the way I felt when I joined Mary Kay in the first place.

It’s too bad we hadn’t “met” when I was a newbie. You might’ve piloted me in a different direction. As it is, I was surrounded by greedy, selfish poo.

Don’t mean to be offensive. People just really need a reality check.

]]> By: Shades of Pink http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298064 Shades of Pink Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:19:21 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298064 I don't think it is. Personally, I never would have considered a home based business except that I absolutely love the MK products and can sell them in good conscience. I just wanted extra money here and there, but I see the potential to get much more from it. As far as other mlm companies or even direct sales companies, I have heard about them and none appeal to me. I think many are more confusing than Mary Kay. JMO. I know there are many out there that I have not even heard of. I don’t think it is. Personally, I never would have considered a home based business except that I absolutely love the MK products and can sell them in good conscience. I just wanted extra money here and there, but I see the potential to get much more from it.
As far as other mlm companies or even direct sales companies, I have heard about them and none appeal to me. I think many are more confusing than Mary Kay. JMO. I know there are many out there that I have not even heard of.

]]> By: Scam http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298063 Scam Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:10:58 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298063 If I had joined then I would have been buying the starter kit from the company but the recruiter would have taken a percentage of that figure. I know in Mary Kay, as you say, all proceeds from the starter kit go to corporate but that's not how all mlms operate is it? If I had joined then I would have been buying the starter kit from the company but the recruiter would have taken a percentage of that figure.

I know in Mary Kay, as you say, all proceeds from the starter kit go to corporate but that’s not how all mlms operate is it?

]]> By: Shades of Pink http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298062 Shades of Pink Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:07:54 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298062 So, Scam, with these other companies you encountered; would you have been purchasing your starter kit from the recruiter? Was the recruiter profiting from your purchase of the starter kit? If so, that is already not how MK operates. When someone joins my team and purchases a starter kit, I get nothing at that point. They purchase the kit from Mary Kay, Inc. It is not until they order products from Mary Kay, Inc. that I would get paid any commission. It is in a MK Consultant's best interest to help her team sell the products. I don't go around asking people to join Mary Kay because I would hate it if someone did that to me. So, Scam, with these other companies you encountered; would you have been purchasing your starter kit from the recruiter? Was the recruiter profiting from your purchase of the starter kit? If so, that is already not how MK operates. When someone joins my team and purchases a starter kit, I get nothing at that point. They purchase the kit from Mary Kay, Inc. It is not until they order products from Mary Kay, Inc. that I would get paid any commission. It is in a MK Consultant’s best interest to help her team sell the products.
I don’t go around asking people to join Mary Kay because I would hate it if someone did that to me.

]]> By: Scam http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298067 Scam Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:42:57 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298067 mk4me, you and I are obviously polar opposites in our view on MK/mlm but I want to say right now that I respect the way you go about your business. You certainly have the right idea - someone coming to you instead of being persued is going to be a better long-term prospect. As you are probably aware, I'm in the UK so my experience of mlm is possibly with companies that are different to those in the US. However, I remember being hounded day and night by 3 different organisations who were far worse than any religious nut you may have ever met. They absolutely would not take no for an answer and were intent on taking my money to but their 'fantastic starter kit'. I know other people who joined each of those companies - after paying their money they got zero support and, therefore, never made any sales. Obviously, this may be coincidence but, nevertheless, this has been my lasting impression of mlm ever since. At the end of the day though, these aggresive recruiters got what they wanted - not a new recruit, just their money. If they had been more passive they absolutely would not have got any of my friends to sign up ever. Of course that would have been a good thing because I'd still be friends with them now. As it was, I had to cut them all loose because they then started pestering me to buy their overpriced rubbish. mk4me, you and I are obviously polar opposites in our view on MK/mlm but I want to say right now that I respect the way you go about your business.

You certainly have the right idea – someone coming to you instead of being persued is going to be a better long-term prospect.

As you are probably aware, I’m in the UK so my experience of mlm is possibly with companies that are different to those in the US.

However, I remember being hounded day and night by 3 different organisations who were far worse than any religious nut you may have ever met.

They absolutely would not take no for an answer and were intent on taking my money to but their ‘fantastic starter kit’.

I know other people who joined each of those companies – after paying their money they got zero support and, therefore, never made any sales.

Obviously, this may be coincidence but, nevertheless, this has been my lasting impression of mlm ever since.

At the end of the day though, these aggresive recruiters got what they wanted – not a new recruit, just their money.

If they had been more passive they absolutely would not have got any of my friends to sign up ever.

Of course that would have been a good thing because I’d still be friends with them now.

As it was, I had to cut them all loose because they then started pestering me to buy their overpriced rubbish.

]]> By: mk4me http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298069 mk4me Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:36:37 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298069 A great analogy, when runners start a race, have you ever noticed that the majority start pretty steady and pace themselves, they hold onto their reserves for the end of the race. You will usually see one or two jump out ahead of the pack, they are noticed over the "pack" but watch the race long enough and usually the pack starts catching up and the two that "aggressively" started the race start to fade and then begin to drop further and further behind blending into the pack when the others that have pace themselves can "kick" it in and start pulling away from the pack to cross the finish line! (ok, Long winded but I hope it helps explain my logic) - the two racers that jumped out, stood out but in the long run usually weren't the winners. A great analogy, when runners start a race, have you ever noticed that the majority start pretty steady and pace themselves, they hold onto their reserves for the end of the race. You will usually see one or two jump out ahead of the pack, they are noticed over the “pack” but watch the race long enough and usually the pack starts catching up and the two that “aggressively” started the race start to fade and then begin to drop further and further behind blending into the pack when the others that have pace themselves can “kick” it in and start pulling away from the pack to cross the finish line! (ok, Long winded but I hope it helps explain my logic) – the two racers that jumped out, stood out but in the long run usually weren’t the winners.

]]> By: mk4me http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-298071 mk4me Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:31:49 +0000 http://www.franchisepick.com/mary-kay-hot-or-not-part-1/#comment-298071 Hey Scam, I have approx. 100 consultants in my unit, lovely ladies and out of the crew there are about 2 that I wish they would "tone" it down a bit. But would it surprise you if I told you that these people are a bit aggressive in all other aspects of their lives as well? I hold to the belief that the aggressive people get the attention and the non-aggressive people probably out number the others but aren't as visible. My philosophy, I would rather attract my clients, than attack my clients, by making my clients comfortable they will stay with me for a long time. If I am aggressive, I may have a great one time sale but I assure you my repeat business isn't going to exist. Basically, being aggressive may be great for fast, big bucks but it will not pay off in the long run. I personally want my residule business as well as new business, I do not want to always be running to find my new "victim". Just like the expression, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil! :) Hey Scam, I have approx. 100 consultants in my unit, lovely ladies and out of the crew there are about 2 that I wish they would “tone” it down a bit. But would it surprise you if I told you that these people are a bit aggressive in all other aspects of their lives as well?

I hold to the belief that the aggressive people get the attention and the non-aggressive people probably out number the others but aren’t as visible.

My philosophy, I would rather attract my clients, than attack my clients, by making my clients comfortable they will stay with me for a long time. If I am aggressive, I may have a great one time sale but I assure you my repeat business isn’t going to exist. Basically, being aggressive may be great for fast, big bucks but it will not pay off in the long run. I personally want my residule business as well as new business, I do not want to always be running to find my new “victim”.

Just like the expression, it is the squeaky wheel that gets the oil! :)

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