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		<title>By: unhappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>unhappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all curves owners who have had problems with curves International and Gary Howie Havein please send your complaints to the BBB of your city and Waco TX. As well as the attorney general of your state and TX. And the federal trade commission. Below are web links where you can file the complaints on line.  


http://www.bbb.org/

http://waco.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.aspx?site=40&amp;id=ab5100aa-4c5a-4314-8e1b-f5996973f10c

http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/index.shtml

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/index.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all curves owners who have had problems with curves International and Gary Howie Havein please send your complaints to the BBB of your city and Waco TX. As well as the attorney general of your state and TX. And the federal trade commission. Below are web links where you can file the complaints on line.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbb.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbb.org/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://waco.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.aspx?site=40&amp;id=ab5100aa-4c5a-4314-8e1b-f5996973f10c" rel="nofollow">http://waco.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.aspx?site=40&amp;id=ab5100aa-4c5a-4314-8e1b-f5996973f10c</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/index.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/index.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: CURVES INTERNATIONAL: You Failed? Pay Up! : Franchise Pick - Picking the Perfect Franchise</title>
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		<dc:creator>CURVES INTERNATIONAL: You Failed? Pay Up! : Franchise Pick - Picking the Perfect Franchise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] International CEO Gary Heavin recently attributed the high rate of SBA loan defaults to the reselling of Curves franchises at inflated prices by greedy 3rd parties.  Perhaps Curves [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] International CEO Gary Heavin recently attributed the high rate of SBA loan defaults to the reselling of Curves franchises at inflated prices by greedy 3rd parties.  Perhaps Curves [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Curves is Franchisor of Year? Say What? : Franchise Pick</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/quiznos-cold-stone-subway-curves-top-franchise-loan-defaults/comment-page-1/#comment-304422</link>
		<dc:creator>Curves is Franchisor of Year? Say What? : Franchise Pick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Because Curves has one of the highest SBA loan failure rates in the nation? (See QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Because Curves has one of the highest SBA loan failure rates in the nation? (See QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CURVES: Franchise Overview &#38; Links &#124; Unhappy Franchisee</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/quiznos-cold-stone-subway-curves-top-franchise-loan-defaults/comment-page-1/#comment-304436</link>
		<dc:creator>CURVES: Franchise Overview &#38; Links &#124; Unhappy Franchisee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] FOR WOMEN: Is Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice AFA a Healthy Promo Partner? January 19, 2009 (25+ comments) QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS February 24, 2009 (20+ comments) HAS CURVES FOR WOMEN ABANDONED ITS FRANCHISE OWNERS?  February 15, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] FOR WOMEN: Is Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice AFA a Healthy Promo Partner? January 19, 2009 (25+ comments) QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS February 24, 2009 (20+ comments) HAS CURVES FOR WOMEN ABANDONED ITS FRANCHISE OWNERS?  February 15, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CURVES: Franchise Resale Buyer Cries Fraud : Franchise Pick</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/quiznos-cold-stone-subway-curves-top-franchise-loan-defaults/comment-page-1/#comment-304351</link>
		<dc:creator>CURVES: Franchise Resale Buyer Cries Fraud : Franchise Pick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Curves International Inc. chief executive Gary Heavin, recently said that high SBA loan defaults were a result of &#8220;the overpriced resales of franchises between third parties.&#8221; (See QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Curves International Inc. chief executive Gary Heavin, recently said that high SBA loan defaults were a result of &#8220;the overpriced resales of franchises between third parties.&#8221; (See QUIZNOS, COLD STONE, SUBWAY &amp; CURVES TOP FRANCHISE LOAN DEFAULTS) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: unhappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>unhappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To curves owner,
I have owned a curves since 1997 and you are right in one since.  The members love it and the results are truly amazing but the owner howie is a crook and there is no way you or anyone else can defend him. Many of the closing are a direct result of the way he runs his franchises.  Most of us on this site are not out to distroy Curves but we are standing up to the business tactics that Howie is using to distroy this company.  As an owner you know exactly what we are saying don&#039;t you?!!!!!  Howie will surly burn in hell for what he has done in the name of being a christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To curves owner,<br />
I have owned a curves since 1997 and you are right in one since.  The members love it and the results are truly amazing but the owner howie is a crook and there is no way you or anyone else can defend him. Many of the closing are a direct result of the way he runs his franchises.  Most of us on this site are not out to distroy Curves but we are standing up to the business tactics that Howie is using to distroy this company.  As an owner you know exactly what we are saying don&#8217;t you?!!!!!  Howie will surly burn in hell for what he has done in the name of being a christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But,  when you invest in a &quot;proven model&quot;  and the franchisor doesn&#039;t disclose to you how many other investors have failed with the so called &quot;proven&quot; model,  or failed to make any profits,  etc.. with the proven model,  you see what you end up with.     

You are right that all businesses have a failure rate but when you are investing in a franchise,  shouldn&#039;t the franchisor have the obligation under the law to disclose the &quot;failure rate&quot;  of units in the system that is KNOWN to the franchisor.  Instead of doing this,  in bad times,  when business is slow,  franchisors  try to sell more franchises for the purposes of maintaining their gross EBITDA upon which they make their profits.  As long as they can sell new units out the front door and failed units out of the back door,  they can survive recessions,  even as many franchisees fail and lose their entire investments.       

Apparently,  the Rule that governs disclosure in franchising permits franchisors to NOT disclose this material risk factor to new buyers of franchises.  If prospective franchisees did know how many franchisees had failed with the &quot;proven&quot; plan or were not making any actual profits,  not as many would invest to begin with.   This,  apparently,  is why the government doesn&#039;t make the franchisors disclose the failure rate or profitability possibilities  ----because this would inhibit the investment in franchises and slow the economy even more. 

Catch 22!  http://w.w.w.unhappyfranchise.com/2009/02/carolcross/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But,  when you invest in a &#8220;proven model&#8221;  and the franchisor doesn&#8217;t disclose to you how many other investors have failed with the so called &#8220;proven&#8221; model,  or failed to make any profits,  etc.. with the proven model,  you see what you end up with.     </p>
<p>You are right that all businesses have a failure rate but when you are investing in a franchise,  shouldn&#8217;t the franchisor have the obligation under the law to disclose the &#8220;failure rate&#8221;  of units in the system that is KNOWN to the franchisor.  Instead of doing this,  in bad times,  when business is slow,  franchisors  try to sell more franchises for the purposes of maintaining their gross EBITDA upon which they make their profits.  As long as they can sell new units out the front door and failed units out of the back door,  they can survive recessions,  even as many franchisees fail and lose their entire investments.       </p>
<p>Apparently,  the Rule that governs disclosure in franchising permits franchisors to NOT disclose this material risk factor to new buyers of franchises.  If prospective franchisees did know how many franchisees had failed with the &#8220;proven&#8221; plan or were not making any actual profits,  not as many would invest to begin with.   This,  apparently,  is why the government doesn&#8217;t make the franchisors disclose the failure rate or profitability possibilities  &#8212;-because this would inhibit the investment in franchises and slow the economy even more. </p>
<p>Catch 22!  <a href="http://w.w.w.unhappyfranchise.com/2009/02/carolcross/" rel="nofollow">http://w.w.w.unhappyfranchise.com/2009/02/carolcross/</a></p>
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		<title>By: curves owner</title>
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		<dc:creator>curves owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Do understand what you both are saying, But remember all business have a failure rate. We all pay for this in our tax.Just becaise you invest doesnot guarentee anything. I think every smart investor should no this upfront on his or her own. There are risks with every single business out there. A franchise is a proven modle. Does not guarentee you will be good at it.So many are not for all different reasons.Women found it easy to go to sba because they were considred minoritys, so they qualified easier.Nobody goes into business with a feeling of failure. Its a risk we all take upfront. Economy hasnt helped either. But the plain truth is some shouldnot have gone into this business in the first place. Guideline should have been stricter. not that you have money to invest. Just my opion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Do understand what you both are saying, But remember all business have a failure rate. We all pay for this in our tax.Just becaise you invest doesnot guarentee anything. I think every smart investor should no this upfront on his or her own. There are risks with every single business out there. A franchise is a proven modle. Does not guarentee you will be good at it.So many are not for all different reasons.Women found it easy to go to sba because they were considred minoritys, so they qualified easier.Nobody goes into business with a feeling of failure. Its a risk we all take upfront. Economy hasnt helped either. But the plain truth is some shouldnot have gone into this business in the first place. Guideline should have been stricter. not that you have money to invest. Just my opion.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are high default rates on every business Sean, as you know not fair to single out one.&lt;/i&gt;
Actually, the SBA singled out 10, above, as the worst.  Curves was the 4th worst out of every franchise that got SBA funding.

&lt;i&gt;...people that fail almost always want to blame someone else instead of themselves...&lt;/i&gt;
True.  That&#039;s why I urge people to do proper due diligence and think it through before taking the plunge.  SBA default rates are one resource to look at in seeing which concepts are failing.

&lt;i&gt;Have you owned one?&lt;/i&gt;
Sort of.  My taxes paid for the debt on some that failed.

&lt;i&gt;Would like to hear from people doing well for a change not just ones that failed.&lt;/i&gt;
Me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are high default rates on every business Sean, as you know not fair to single out one.</i><br />
Actually, the SBA singled out 10, above, as the worst.  Curves was the 4th worst out of every franchise that got SBA funding.</p>
<p><i>&#8230;people that fail almost always want to blame someone else instead of themselves&#8230;</i><br />
True.  That&#8217;s why I urge people to do proper due diligence and think it through before taking the plunge.  SBA default rates are one resource to look at in seeing which concepts are failing.</p>
<p><i>Have you owned one?</i><br />
Sort of.  My taxes paid for the debt on some that failed.</p>
<p><i>Would like to hear from people doing well for a change not just ones that failed.</i><br />
Me too.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your comments!   However,  franchises are sold to new prospects who are not getting the MATERIAL risk factors that are known to the franchisor, and that concern the risks and the rewards of their investment, BEFORE they put their signature to the binding, long-term, unilateral contract.  How can you defend this?      

As a successful franchisee,  you feel that it is unfair that failed and failing franchisees are &quot;knocking&quot; Curves.   This,  of course,  is a predictble situation that always protects exploitive franchisors whose successful and standing franchisees don&#039;t like to see their asset,  their business, attacked in a public forum.              

All the evidence indicates that franchising was regulated to PROTECT franchisors and THEIR successful franchisees from those franchisees who would fail and would believe that the franchisor fraudulently induced them to contract by false promises. 

Those who are in NEED of a job and an income do risk more than they can afford to risk and yet the risk of the investment is obscured by the red herring of ineffective regulation that was intended to subsidize franchisors and protect them from charges of fraud by failed or failing franchisees.    Franchising has always grown during recessions because of the desperation of those who need jobs and income and are willing to invest in themselves,  and can be sold The American Dream by those who want the commissions on the sale of the franchise.            

The ineffective regulation together with the subsidy of the franchisors and the banks of SBA loans does render franchisees merely as expendable resources for franchisors who then can beat the KNOWN ugly  odds of the failure of all small businesses. 

 There is cooperation within the status quo to obscure these odds from the view of prospective buyers of franchises who sign malicious long-term franchise contracts with the franchisors,  who know that a certain percentage of franchisees will perhaps have little chance of  ever making any real profits,  and that a certain percentage will actually fail.   

Shouldn&#039;t franchisees know upfront what the odds are up front  and should government be subsidizing banks and lenders and franchisors under the guise that this serves the &quot;public good&quot;  when this subsidy produces so many victims?  

Are you indicating that if a franchisor has 50% of units that fail and 50% that thrive,  that the 50% who fail should be sacrificed on behalf of producing the 50% who succeed.   And,  if you are.   Shouldn&#039;t the odds be disclosed up frant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your comments!   However,  franchises are sold to new prospects who are not getting the MATERIAL risk factors that are known to the franchisor, and that concern the risks and the rewards of their investment, BEFORE they put their signature to the binding, long-term, unilateral contract.  How can you defend this?      </p>
<p>As a successful franchisee,  you feel that it is unfair that failed and failing franchisees are &#8220;knocking&#8221; Curves.   This,  of course,  is a predictble situation that always protects exploitive franchisors whose successful and standing franchisees don&#8217;t like to see their asset,  their business, attacked in a public forum.              </p>
<p>All the evidence indicates that franchising was regulated to PROTECT franchisors and THEIR successful franchisees from those franchisees who would fail and would believe that the franchisor fraudulently induced them to contract by false promises. </p>
<p>Those who are in NEED of a job and an income do risk more than they can afford to risk and yet the risk of the investment is obscured by the red herring of ineffective regulation that was intended to subsidize franchisors and protect them from charges of fraud by failed or failing franchisees.    Franchising has always grown during recessions because of the desperation of those who need jobs and income and are willing to invest in themselves,  and can be sold The American Dream by those who want the commissions on the sale of the franchise.            </p>
<p>The ineffective regulation together with the subsidy of the franchisors and the banks of SBA loans does render franchisees merely as expendable resources for franchisors who then can beat the KNOWN ugly  odds of the failure of all small businesses. </p>
<p> There is cooperation within the status quo to obscure these odds from the view of prospective buyers of franchises who sign malicious long-term franchise contracts with the franchisors,  who know that a certain percentage of franchisees will perhaps have little chance of  ever making any real profits,  and that a certain percentage will actually fail.   </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t franchisees know upfront what the odds are up front  and should government be subsidizing banks and lenders and franchisors under the guise that this serves the &#8220;public good&#8221;  when this subsidy produces so many victims?  </p>
<p>Are you indicating that if a franchisor has 50% of units that fail and 50% that thrive,  that the 50% who fail should be sacrificed on behalf of producing the 50% who succeed.   And,  if you are.   Shouldn&#8217;t the odds be disclosed up frant?</p>
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