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		<title>By: The Reality of Net Neutrality!</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/sorry-scott-offbase-you-are-217/comment-page-1/#comment-335139</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reality of Net Neutrality!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Healthy competition Scott - healthy competition. I know the research has been done, I&#8217;ve read yours, I don&#8217;t have another. I&#8217;ll find others but reality is that the &#8220;competition&#8221; people like Scott Cleland speak of is actually managed and controlled by the larger Telcoms therefore they aren&#8217;t true, healthy competition. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Healthy competition Scott &#8211; healthy competition. I know the research has been done, I&#8217;ve read yours, I don&#8217;t have another. I&#8217;ll find others but reality is that the &#8220;competition&#8221; people like Scott Cleland speak of is actually managed and controlled by the larger Telcoms therefore they aren&#8217;t true, healthy competition. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.everyjoe.com/articles/sorry-scott-offbase-you-are-217/comment-page-1/#comment-335126</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well... already found enough to offer some strong support to your statements.

&lt;strong&gt;Testimony Before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Antitrust Subcommittee, February 11th, 2004&lt;/strong&gt;

and 

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6550495.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Molly Wood&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

and!!! How about this??? &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.netcompetition.org/docs/about/#members&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scott Cleland&#039;s backers!!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

Wow...

DPH, I have a feeling I&#039;ll find you in this research but whatever you wish to send along, please do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well&#8230; already found enough to offer some strong support to your statements.</p>
<p><strong>Testimony Before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Antitrust Subcommittee, February 11th, 2004</strong></p>
<p>and </p>
<p><strong><a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6550495.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Molly Wood</a></strong></p>
<p>and!!! How about this??? <strong><a href="http://www.netcompetition.org/docs/about/#members" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Scott Cleland&#8217;s backers!!!</a></strong></p>
<p>Wow&#8230;</p>
<p>DPH, I have a feeling I&#8217;ll find you in this research but whatever you wish to send along, please do.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPH,

Welcome to Workboxers. I don&#039;t normally approve this nature of comment. Why am I this time? I have a true challenge - I don&#039;t know everything, lol.

So, I&#039;m asking you to offer some support of your own for what you have commented here about Mr. Cleland. I&#039;m not saying I doubt you. I&#039;ve seen the surname Cleland in the past year or so and I thought it might be related to this argument... but I couldn&#039;t be certain.

I&#039;m more than happy to become involved with folks like him. I feel that those of us who can damn well ought to remain involved with this Net Neutrality deal.

There are two sides here. Duh. One of us is lying and the other is telling the truth. Normal stuff eh? Unfortunately, the American public (consumer) isn&#039;t seeing this at a level that would force its truthful conclusion (imho).

So, I need your help. I don&#039;t know you either. Your initials don&#039;t help. Your Arin Whois info determined that your IP is a division of Verizon and you&#039;ve mentioned them in your comment. Help me know and understand how you&#039;ve developed this information about Cleland so I can pass it on to my readers loudly and clearly.

In the meantime I&#039;ll Google him and see what I come up with.

Thanks, 

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPH,</p>
<p>Welcome to Workboxers. I don&#8217;t normally approve this nature of comment. Why am I this time? I have a true challenge &#8211; I don&#8217;t know everything, lol.</p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m asking you to offer some support of your own for what you have commented here about Mr. Cleland. I&#8217;m not saying I doubt you. I&#8217;ve seen the surname Cleland in the past year or so and I thought it might be related to this argument&#8230; but I couldn&#8217;t be certain.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more than happy to become involved with folks like him. I feel that those of us who can damn well ought to remain involved with this Net Neutrality deal.</p>
<p>There are two sides here. Duh. One of us is lying and the other is telling the truth. Normal stuff eh? Unfortunately, the American public (consumer) isn&#8217;t seeing this at a level that would force its truthful conclusion (imho).</p>
<p>So, I need your help. I don&#8217;t know you either. Your initials don&#8217;t help. Your Arin Whois info determined that your IP is a division of Verizon and you&#8217;ve mentioned them in your comment. Help me know and understand how you&#8217;ve developed this information about Cleland so I can pass it on to my readers loudly and clearly.</p>
<p>In the meantime I&#8217;ll Google him and see what I come up with.</p>
<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: DPH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DPH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You shouldn&#039;t dignify Cleland with an argument. He is a paid shill for the telcos, wireless and cable companies. Via Netcompetition.org and the Precursor blog he is doing what  bad admen have done for years -- try to spin the truth into a lie. Cleland has told Congress and said in many interviews that the only way to protect online competition is to allow the telcos to charge service premiums on those who have services with which they would like to compete. Verizon wants to do video online and, if they get their way, they will be able to force every other would be competitor to pay more than themselves. That won&#039;t competition that will be restraint of trade. And after living through the fiasco of how telcos handled early ISDN and DSL -- purely to choke out competitors  -- there should be no reason to believe they will behave any differently this time around.

Finally, Cleland&#039;s fact-putting about competition doesn&#039;t address the key issue of the post article -- why does Japan have an internet 30 times faster than is available in the US? And it isn&#039;t just Japan, Europe is much faster as well. Hell, N. Korea has a faster internet than we do. A fellow journalist recently returned from NORTH Korea and spoke to me about the internet they have there and their backbone allows individual homes to have connections 5-6 times faster than the FIOS system now being touted as the best broadband system in the US.

Perhaps Cleland shouldn&#039;t be ashamed. I&#039;m sure he is earning a healthy paycheck to shovel crap for US telcos. But our regulatory agencies and lawmakers should certainly be ashamed if they swallow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You shouldn&#8217;t dignify Cleland with an argument. He is a paid shill for the telcos, wireless and cable companies. Via Netcompetition.org and the Precursor blog he is doing what  bad admen have done for years &#8212; try to spin the truth into a lie. Cleland has told Congress and said in many interviews that the only way to protect online competition is to allow the telcos to charge service premiums on those who have services with which they would like to compete. Verizon wants to do video online and, if they get their way, they will be able to force every other would be competitor to pay more than themselves. That won&#8217;t competition that will be restraint of trade. And after living through the fiasco of how telcos handled early ISDN and DSL &#8212; purely to choke out competitors  &#8212; there should be no reason to believe they will behave any differently this time around.</p>
<p>Finally, Cleland&#8217;s fact-putting about competition doesn&#8217;t address the key issue of the post article &#8212; why does Japan have an internet 30 times faster than is available in the US? And it isn&#8217;t just Japan, Europe is much faster as well. Hell, N. Korea has a faster internet than we do. A fellow journalist recently returned from NORTH Korea and spoke to me about the internet they have there and their backbone allows individual homes to have connections 5-6 times faster than the FIOS system now being touted as the best broadband system in the US.</p>
<p>Perhaps Cleland shouldn&#8217;t be ashamed. I&#8217;m sure he is earning a healthy paycheck to shovel crap for US telcos. But our regulatory agencies and lawmakers should certainly be ashamed if they swallow it.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott? Care to respond to Zac?

I downloaded that report and will be reading it. I&#039;ll admit to being not very interested in reading material of that nature but it&#039;s worth it so I will.

I have one very quick thought - what the he** do you mean - &quot;used to be monopolies?&quot; Come on Scott, we all know the Baby Bells are almost all back under the same umbrella again! That&#039;s old history today... If they&#039;re not the same monopoly they once were they&#039;re certainly working on it.

Second thought - &quot;facts are overwhelming?&quot; That had better be a very loud validation, very loud! And somehow, I don&#039;t think it will be...

Third thought - &quot;Cable companies have lost over 30 million customers to Direct Broadcast Satellite competitors.&quot; You didn&#039;t really think the U.S. public consumer was going to completely sit back and let themselves get screwed over and over, did you? Seems to me AT&amp;T et al, earned this in spades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott? Care to respond to Zac?</p>
<p>I downloaded that report and will be reading it. I&#8217;ll admit to being not very interested in reading material of that nature but it&#8217;s worth it so I will.</p>
<p>I have one very quick thought &#8211; what the he** do you mean &#8211; &#8220;used to be monopolies?&#8221; Come on Scott, we all know the Baby Bells are almost all back under the same umbrella again! That&#8217;s old history today&#8230; If they&#8217;re not the same monopoly they once were they&#8217;re certainly working on it.</p>
<p>Second thought &#8211; &#8220;facts are overwhelming?&#8221; That had better be a very loud validation, very loud! And somehow, I don&#8217;t think it will be&#8230;</p>
<p>Third thought &#8211; &#8220;Cable companies have lost over 30 million customers to Direct Broadcast Satellite competitors.&#8221; You didn&#8217;t really think the U.S. public consumer was going to completely sit back and let themselves get screwed over and over, did you? Seems to me AT&#038;T et al, earned this in spades.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any INDEPENDENT reports on competition, rather than some random facts and a report from a government department?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any INDEPENDENT reports on competition, rather than some random facts and a report from a government department?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Cleland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>apologies for taking a while to respond...
Its important to remember that telephone and cable companies USED to be monopolies but are certainly not now since the 1996 Telecom Act replaced monopoly with competition.
The facts are overwhelming that competition is working. The US has the most facilities based broadband competition in the world. Cable companies have lost over 30 million customers to Direct Broadcast Satellite competitors. AT&amp;T, Verizon and other telcos have lost tens of millions of lines to competitors. No US wireless provider has more than 27% share a much less concentrated market than any other in the world. Your view of the communications world may be a decade out of date. Is it perfect of course not. Is it very competitive and more competitive every day? yes!

How is that for evidence. if you want a link go to the FCC report. http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-270128A1.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apologies for taking a while to respond&#8230;<br />
Its important to remember that telephone and cable companies USED to be monopolies but are certainly not now since the 1996 Telecom Act replaced monopoly with competition.<br />
The facts are overwhelming that competition is working. The US has the most facilities based broadband competition in the world. Cable companies have lost over 30 million customers to Direct Broadcast Satellite competitors. AT&amp;T, Verizon and other telcos have lost tens of millions of lines to competitors. No US wireless provider has more than 27% share a much less concentrated market than any other in the world. Your view of the communications world may be a decade out of date. Is it perfect of course not. Is it very competitive and more competitive every day? yes!</p>
<p>How is that for evidence. if you want a link go to the FCC report. <a href="http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-270128A1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-270128A1.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

I appreciate you dropping by - truthfully! I&#039;ll need a bit of time to read and digest what you&#039;ve referenced although I&#039;ve seen most of it before.

Can&#039;t say I&#039;ll be ready to change my mind anytime soon :) 

Primarily because of statements like this;

&quot;Why not check the latest FCC data and quote that? Because that data proves that broadband competition is flourishing and increasing.&quot;

Why don&#039;t you offer us the data Scott - seriously... give us a link or post a screenshot or something that will definitively show these &quot;facts&quot; to us. I&#039;m having a very difficult time with this &quot;competition&quot; talk. You don&#039;t honestly expect silly ole everyday citizen like me to believe there is plenty of competition with the likes of AT&amp;T and Verizon, now do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>I appreciate you dropping by &#8211; truthfully! I&#8217;ll need a bit of time to read and digest what you&#8217;ve referenced although I&#8217;ve seen most of it before.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t say I&#8217;ll be ready to change my mind anytime soon :) </p>
<p>Primarily because of statements like this;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not check the latest FCC data and quote that? Because that data proves that broadband competition is flourishing and increasing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you offer us the data Scott &#8211; seriously&#8230; give us a link or post a screenshot or something that will definitively show these &#8220;facts&#8221; to us. I&#8217;m having a very difficult time with this &#8220;competition&#8221; talk. You don&#8217;t honestly expect silly ole everyday citizen like me to believe there is plenty of competition with the likes of AT&#038;T and Verizon, now do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Cleland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Cleland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that we disagree over this part of the article I thought you would like to see what else I posted about in that Post article that should have been labeled a &quot;news analysis.&quot;
http://www.precursorblog.com/node/505</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that we disagree over this part of the article I thought you would like to see what else I posted about in that Post article that should have been labeled a &#8220;news analysis.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.precursorblog.com/node/505" rel="nofollow">http://www.precursorblog.com/node/505</a></p>
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