But, is there really no science to it? By the way, no wonder why Atheists are termed “Fools” in the Bible: They make their belief, rooted in their inconclusive and ever-evolving science, so conclusive in their own right! Yet, does this true logic spare the Agnostics? In the end, the burden of truth lies on such blind Agnosticism: its advocates play too much rhetoric, and ultimately resting on a wall inside the borders of intellectual laziness. Now, get ready to embrace the higher science to what is in the Sacred Texts—“The Science of Intent”.

We never really appreciate the full intent without the consummation of the action under scrutiny. Just imagine the few seconds from the start of the Big Bang; any thought that the elementary particles at that time would eventually turn into gold and silver to be worshipped upon idolatrous life forms that constitute the same elementary particles would be inconceivable. Yet, we can fully comprehend it now as we are literally surrounded by ignorant idolaters. Now, it is within anyone’s comprehension that there exist only two completely opposite intents in terms of belief: Intent to teach and intent to deceive. So striking are the dissimilarities that we can simply dissociate the two extremes, and any attempt to cause their association borders on ultimate deception or ignorance. As man is a social being, we tend to personify everything that we have a deep connection, such that the beneficial intent is personified as the Holy Spirit and the destructive intent, as the Evil One. If this newfound science of INTENT is alien to most scientists, yet it holds the key of branches of mathematics and science, like the statistics, forensics, behavioural sciences, etc., then why should these Agnostic and Atheist scientists fret on the rational thinking of most man to further such science into religion? Instead of fretting, they should look deep into their own selves and try to understand that there exist a morality behind everything, and it is the light that they should embrace or advocate, rather that the downward spiral of detached and impassive science or investigation. Atheism and Agnosticism are merely products of higher form of rebellion to one’s intuition and awareness with which both are beyond mere physical sciences can handle and rationalize.

Just ponder at what Pete above is trying to convey: in Isaiah 45:12 Statistics will prove the eternal knowledge around the recent theory of Big Bang—“I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS, and all their host have I commanded.” (Emphasis supplied.) Such Supreme Being is both God and Love, with all the purest intent: Our Loving Creator who can restore us in His Own Right.

The problem with all those atrocities that were committed in the name of religion (especially Christianity because that is the one I know), is that they stopped listening to what God has told us and what Jesus also taught us (certain things are wrong, but that doesn’t mean we should kill everyone who is/does something wrong because we all do wrong things all the time, but build relationships and try to help them) and started doing what they felt was the “right thing to do”. It’s all about relationships. Christians are the biggest reason people don’t want to learn about Christ. It’s sad. (If you are curious about what I believe, I would be happy to talk to you; if not, that’s fine.)

If being agnostic means you do not presume to know what cannot be known, do you think/know the Big Bang happened? As far as I know, it has not been proven and is still a theory.

If I sound like I am being unprofessional, let me know because I am not trying to arouse anger, only understand what others think.

I don’t mean to sound like just another “Bible thumpper”, but there should be a capitol ‘g’ in God because it is his name, regardless if it you don’t think he is real, and you used it in such context. Just like Thor, god of thunder, is still spelled with a capitol ‘t’. (Yes, I even capitalize proper nouns in IM. I might be a loser for this…)

Chris

..but -’then’- (that’s) neither HERE nor THERE..

;- )

Agnosticism, at least the short version, means the belief that the existence of god can neither be proved nor disproved.

You wrote: ” I don’t see any benefit in trying to make everyone see things in the same light.”

Everyone should believe as they wish….save it hurts no one else.
Unfortunately religion sometimes does indeed hurt people, the destruction of the world trade center and the continuing destruction of life by suicide bombers in Iraq and elsewhere and the christian component involved in the decisions to attack Iraq being prime examples.

The American Indians were slaughtered in part because Christians thought them heathens.
And of course the crusades and the Spanish inquisition come to mind.

But I do agree with you regarding personal believe, but only with the above mentioned restriction …that one’s personal religious beliefs harm no one else in any way.

D. Brown

You do not understand science. Science is not about immutable laws or beliefs, science is extremely flexible, religion is totally rigid and unyielding.

The “laws” and theories of science have been changed countless times. If a theory is proven wrong by other researchers or findings then that theory is discarded.
Not so long ago science thought the Newtonian laws were the last word in physics, then along came Quantum theory…perhaps someday “it” will be shot down or modified.

Point is science is flexible and changing, religious beliefs are not…

BTW I’m agnostic, I don’t presume to know what cannot be known.

I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

With all that said, what does all this talk of the beginning of the universe have to do with anything that is happening today?
Nothing, other than a moral standard.

We should be concerned with people around us and their well being, not contemplating theories of how everything came about.

Everything I have stated, though I have not used fun quotes and equations, is true. If you think what I have stated is false and want to tell me why, just leave a comment and be sure to mention my name.

Chris