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	<title>Comments on: Pro Football Hall of Fame Board Selects Semi-Finalists for Class of 2008</title>
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		<title>By: bachslunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachslunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re this:

&quot;jesse tuggle should be in the hall of fame, if he had not played for the falcons he would have been a superstar&quot;

Um, what&#039;s wrong with this picture? Why are non-superstars getting touted? Tuggle BTW was never a 1st team all pro and made 5 pro bowls -- not bad, but these numbers are less than several peer LBs who haven&#039;t gotten a sniff yet and would appear to be more deserving (Rickey Jackson, Kevin Greene, Cornelius Bennett, Sam Mills, etc.).

Regarding Terrell Davis: he may yet get elected, but his short career hurts his HoF chances a lot. Consider that HoF-er Gale Sayers also played seven years, had 5 great years to Davis&#039;s 4, and has stellar KR stats that Davis doesn&#039;t have. And Sayers is the rare exception -- very few short career players are in the HoF who played after 1950.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re this:</p>
<p>&#8220;jesse tuggle should be in the hall of fame, if he had not played for the falcons he would have been a superstar&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, what&#8217;s wrong with this picture? Why are non-superstars getting touted? Tuggle BTW was never a 1st team all pro and made 5 pro bowls &#8212; not bad, but these numbers are less than several peer LBs who haven&#8217;t gotten a sniff yet and would appear to be more deserving (Rickey Jackson, Kevin Greene, Cornelius Bennett, Sam Mills, etc.).</p>
<p>Regarding Terrell Davis: he may yet get elected, but his short career hurts his HoF chances a lot. Consider that HoF-er Gale Sayers also played seven years, had 5 great years to Davis&#8217;s 4, and has stellar KR stats that Davis doesn&#8217;t have. And Sayers is the rare exception &#8212; very few short career players are in the HoF who played after 1950.</p>
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		<title>By: westhoff0407</title>
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		<dc:creator>westhoff0407</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would really like to see TD get in. I know his career was cut short because of injuries (I will forever curse Brian Greise), but he had arguably the best first 4 years for any running back ever. He rushed for 2000 yards in 1998, was Super Bowl and League MVPs, and he averaged 4.6 ypc (brought down some by his comeback attempts in 2000 and 2001 even). I know he&#039;s not a first or second balloter but the man was a horse and a great back and I think he deserves the Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would really like to see TD get in. I know his career was cut short because of injuries (I will forever curse Brian Greise), but he had arguably the best first 4 years for any running back ever. He rushed for 2000 yards in 1998, was Super Bowl and League MVPs, and he averaged 4.6 ypc (brought down some by his comeback attempts in 2000 and 2001 even). I know he&#8217;s not a first or second balloter but the man was a horse and a great back and I think he deserves the Hall.</p>
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		<title>By: mark brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesse tuggle should be in the hall of fame, if he had not played for the falcons he would have been a superstar</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesse tuggle should be in the hall of fame, if he had not played for the falcons he would have been a superstar</p>
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		<title>By: bachslunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachslunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is indeed a Veterans Committee that brings up two possible names for induction each year. But there&#039;s a big backlog of deserving and potential deserving players.

I&#039;m all for Jim Patton being in the HoF (5 time 1st team all pro, 5 pro bowls) as I think he&#039;s deserving, but he&#039;s not the only such DB vying for a slot -- so are Johnny Robinson, Abe Woodson, Jack Butler, Bobby Dillon, Cliff Harris, and Lemar Parrish.

Charlie Conerly is arguably the best QB from his era not in the HoF, though that position is probably deeper than any other in the Hall. Other QB contemporaries already in include Norm Van Brocklin, Y.A. Tittle, Bobby Layne, and George Blanda, while guys such as Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr,  and Bob Waterfield overlap either the first half or last half of his career. That may already be perceived as enough QBs from that time -- hard to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is indeed a Veterans Committee that brings up two possible names for induction each year. But there&#8217;s a big backlog of deserving and potential deserving players.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for Jim Patton being in the HoF (5 time 1st team all pro, 5 pro bowls) as I think he&#8217;s deserving, but he&#8217;s not the only such DB vying for a slot &#8212; so are Johnny Robinson, Abe Woodson, Jack Butler, Bobby Dillon, Cliff Harris, and Lemar Parrish.</p>
<p>Charlie Conerly is arguably the best QB from his era not in the HoF, though that position is probably deeper than any other in the Hall. Other QB contemporaries already in include Norm Van Brocklin, Y.A. Tittle, Bobby Layne, and George Blanda, while guys such as Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr,  and Bob Waterfield overlap either the first half or last half of his career. That may already be perceived as enough QBs from that time &#8212; hard to say.</p>
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		<title>By: David Barrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Barrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about Charlie Conerly????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Charlie Conerly????</p>
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		<title>By: Vinnie DeCerbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vinnie DeCerbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in why Jim Patton DB of the 1950&#039;s and 1960&#039;s New York Giants teams and selected All-Pro a couple of times and selected to 5 Pro Bowl games is not in the HOF. Is there a Veteran&#039;s Committee for the earlier players? He was one great defensive back for the Giants and the NFL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in why Jim Patton DB of the 1950&#8217;s and 1960&#8217;s New York Giants teams and selected All-Pro a couple of times and selected to 5 Pro Bowl games is not in the HOF. Is there a Veteran&#8217;s Committee for the earlier players? He was one great defensive back for the Giants and the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: bachslunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachslunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any argument in favor of a HoF possibility comparing him to its weakest members already in is not a good one. And while the HoF voters have mostly done well keeping such selections out, a few have managed to sneak through, specifically Wayne Millner, Paul Hornung, Lynn Swann, and yes, Joe Namath. 

Because of injuries, Namath only played 8 full years with an even shorter peak, though that peak is admittedly excellent, so comparing Stabler to Namath doesn&#039;t wash (it&#039;s like arguing that Ottis Anderson should be in because his stats look better than those of Gale Sayers). Namath appears to be in the HoF primarily for a major intangible reason -- he was the QB on the Jets Super Bowl winning team that finally gave the AFL parity with the NFL. While admittedly not an inconsequential accomplishment, one can of course rebut that other standouts from that game, like Matt Snell or Larry Grantham could have the same argument. But as often happens, it&#039;s the QB who reaps the glory.

I can certainly see the argument for Namath not belonging in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any argument in favor of a HoF possibility comparing him to its weakest members already in is not a good one. And while the HoF voters have mostly done well keeping such selections out, a few have managed to sneak through, specifically Wayne Millner, Paul Hornung, Lynn Swann, and yes, Joe Namath. </p>
<p>Because of injuries, Namath only played 8 full years with an even shorter peak, though that peak is admittedly excellent, so comparing Stabler to Namath doesn&#8217;t wash (it&#8217;s like arguing that Ottis Anderson should be in because his stats look better than those of Gale Sayers). Namath appears to be in the HoF primarily for a major intangible reason &#8212; he was the QB on the Jets Super Bowl winning team that finally gave the AFL parity with the NFL. While admittedly not an inconsequential accomplishment, one can of course rebut that other standouts from that game, like Matt Snell or Larry Grantham could have the same argument. But as often happens, it&#8217;s the QB who reaps the glory.</p>
<p>I can certainly see the argument for Namath not belonging in.</p>
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		<title>By: tomshawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>tomshawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stabler played more years than Namath. Threw about the same amount of passes, completed 400
more and had a 59.8 passing percentage compared to Namath&#039;s 50.1.  Threw 20 more TDs. These are
tangibles you are looking for. So, Namath must have
got in on intangibles because Stabler beats him in every category except number of superbowl victories. Take Namath out or put Stabler in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stabler played more years than Namath. Threw about the same amount of passes, completed 400<br />
more and had a 59.8 passing percentage compared to Namath&#8217;s 50.1.  Threw 20 more TDs. These are<br />
tangibles you are looking for. So, Namath must have<br />
got in on intangibles because Stabler beats him in every category except number of superbowl victories. Take Namath out or put Stabler in.</p>
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		<title>By: bachslunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>bachslunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t see that Stabler is any better than a bubble candidate at best. Stabler had 4 great years surrounded by about 11 mediocre to bad years. He did win a Super Bowl, but despite a reputation as a last-minute heroics specialist, fell short in his 6 other trips into the post-season. He went to 4 pro bowls, was a 1st team all-pro once, and is on the all-70s decade team. 

I am wondering two things:

1. where exactly does Stabler rank in all-time completion percentage? And more crucially, how important is this stat when evaluating a QBs Hall worth?

2. what&#039;s the argument saying that he&#039;s more deserving than, let&#039;s say, Ken Anderson? Anderson&#039;s stats look better, if memory serves. And sorry, but I&#039;m not swayed by arguments based on intangibles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see that Stabler is any better than a bubble candidate at best. Stabler had 4 great years surrounded by about 11 mediocre to bad years. He did win a Super Bowl, but despite a reputation as a last-minute heroics specialist, fell short in his 6 other trips into the post-season. He went to 4 pro bowls, was a 1st team all-pro once, and is on the all-70s decade team. </p>
<p>I am wondering two things:</p>
<p>1. where exactly does Stabler rank in all-time completion percentage? And more crucially, how important is this stat when evaluating a QBs Hall worth?</p>
<p>2. what&#8217;s the argument saying that he&#8217;s more deserving than, let&#8217;s say, Ken Anderson? Anderson&#8217;s stats look better, if memory serves. And sorry, but I&#8217;m not swayed by arguments based on intangibles.</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Leardi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Leardi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 01:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Stabler should be a Hall of Fame inductee, and it is long overdue!! He had one of the highest completion ratios, won a Super Bowl, Led the Raiders to numerous playoffs and AFC championship games, and delivered clutch performances in some of the greatest games played in the NFL. He was definitely one of the 3or 4 dominant QB&#039;s of the 1970&#039;s, and was better than some people already in the Hall of Fame who did not have his coolness under pressure or his presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Stabler should be a Hall of Fame inductee, and it is long overdue!! He had one of the highest completion ratios, won a Super Bowl, Led the Raiders to numerous playoffs and AFC championship games, and delivered clutch performances in some of the greatest games played in the NFL. He was definitely one of the 3or 4 dominant QB&#8217;s of the 1970&#8217;s, and was better than some people already in the Hall of Fame who did not have his coolness under pressure or his presence.</p>
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