Comments on: Hall of Fame Voting: A Closer Look http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/ Major League Baseball News from Spring Training to the World Series Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:11:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Geoff Young http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1088 Geoff Young Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:42:24 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1088 Brett, I agree with you on Blyleven, Trammell, and Raines. I'm less certain of Dawson and Morris. The Murphy situation is difficult. If he'd done anything toward the end of his career, he'd be a mortal lock. He's one of those guys that when you were watching him play, there was no doubt you were watching a future HOFer. And then his career just kind of ended. A real shame. Brett, I agree with you on Blyleven, Trammell, and Raines. I’m less certain of Dawson and Morris. The Murphy situation is difficult. If he’d done anything toward the end of his career, he’d be a mortal lock. He’s one of those guys that when you were watching him play, there was no doubt you were watching a future HOFer. And then his career just kind of ended. A real shame.

]]> By: Brett D http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1036 Brett D Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:00:08 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1036 I have a serious problem with how righteous Hall of Fame voters are. McGwire did something wrong, but who among us hasn't? He broke no 'baseball rules'. Therefore, he should not be judged by anything other than his career. And, frankly, he is one of the absolute most feared hitters who ever played the game. Jim Rice? A very good hitter no doubt. But Mark McGwire was feared long before he hit 70 and somebody saw a bottle of Andro. Also, tell me how these guys still havent gotten in...Blyleven, Dawson, Morris, and Trammell? There is no way that any of these guys are not Hall of Fame material. Raines should be in as well....and Dale Murphy? He used to get more support. Borderline or no, the steroids era completely overshadows Murphy. What a sad story. I have a serious problem with how righteous Hall of Fame voters are. McGwire did something wrong, but who among us hasn’t? He broke no ‘baseball rules’. Therefore, he should not be judged by anything other than his career. And, frankly, he is one of the absolute most feared hitters who ever played the game. Jim Rice? A very good hitter no doubt. But Mark McGwire was feared long before he hit 70 and somebody saw a bottle of Andro. Also, tell me how these guys still havent gotten in…Blyleven, Dawson, Morris, and Trammell? There is no way that any of these guys are not Hall of Fame material. Raines should be in as well….and Dale Murphy? He used to get more support. Borderline or no, the steroids era completely overshadows Murphy. What a sad story.

]]> By: Geoff Young http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1340 Geoff Young Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:26:45 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1340 Oh yeah, Gossage was a much better pitcher than Lee Smith. But I think Smith probably belongs and at the very least is more deserving than Bruce Sutter. That was my main point, which on re-reading, I see I could have made more clearly. Oh yeah, Gossage was a much better pitcher than Lee Smith. But I think Smith probably belongs and at the very least is more deserving than Bruce Sutter. That was my main point, which on re-reading, I see I could have made more clearly.

]]> By: Mike D http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1280 Mike D Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:12:35 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1280 Okay, I agree with four out of five of your points, which is pretty good! Lee Smith. No! Gossage wasn't elected for his saves total. He was because he was a dominant reliever. Lee Smith, Jeff Reardon and a bunch of other consistently good, but not great, relievers are fall in the same class, and it's not the Rich Gossage class, who was far better than all of them. Okay, I agree with four out of five of your points, which is pretty good! Lee Smith. No! Gossage wasn’t elected for his saves total. He was because he was a dominant reliever. Lee Smith, Jeff Reardon and a bunch of other consistently good, but not great, relievers are fall in the same class, and it’s not the Rich Gossage class, who was far better than all of them.

]]> By: Geoff Young http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1318 Geoff Young Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:27:15 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1318 My first thought is to be offended by a potential backlash, but on further reflection, I'm not sure that it would make things any worse than they are now. My first thought is to be offended by a potential backlash, but on further reflection, I’m not sure that it would make things any worse than they are now.

]]> By: Tom http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1234 Tom Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:56:46 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1234 It's best not to get to emotional about it. I think now there is going to be a writers backlash against the bloggers and stat-guys so that players like Blyleven and Raines will never get in while Jim Rice, Jack Morris and Andre Dawson (feared batters, or just winners with intangibles) will get in so the idiot writers can flex their muscles. In the words of Nelson Muntz "Ha-ha, your medium is dying.: It’s best not to get to emotional about it. I think now there is going to be a writers backlash against the bloggers and stat-guys so that players like Blyleven and Raines will never get in while Jim Rice, Jack Morris and Andre Dawson (feared batters, or just winners with intangibles) will get in so the idiot writers can flex their muscles. In the words of Nelson Muntz “Ha-ha, your medium is dying.:

]]> By: Geoff Young http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1223 Geoff Young Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:12:34 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1223 I imagine Rickey is looking forward to it, too. ;-) I imagine Rickey is looking forward to it, too. ;-)

]]> By: anthony http://www.everyjoe.com/knucklecurve/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1225 anthony Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:42:15 +0000 http://www.knucklecurve.com/hall-of-fame-voting-a-closer-look/#comment-1225 Goose should have been in on the first ballot. I hate this crap where they make guys wait for years and years. I read that Goose's mother died last year and never got to see him get in. Nice job, a-holes. And is there any doubt that some writers won't vote for Rickey because they don't want him to get 100%? That garbage bothers me a lot more than who gets in and who doesn't. It's not going to happen but it would be nice if Rickey and Raines went in together next year. Either way I'm already looking forward to Rickey's induction speech. Goose should have been in on the first ballot. I hate this crap where they make guys wait for years and years. I read that Goose’s mother died last year and never got to see him get in. Nice job, a-holes.

And is there any doubt that some writers won’t vote for Rickey because they don’t want him to get 100%? That garbage bothers me a lot more than who gets in and who doesn’t.

It’s not going to happen but it would be nice if Rickey and Raines went in together next year. Either way I’m already looking forward to Rickey’s induction speech.

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